[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by SSStang Have either one of you been around here long enough to know shit? I guess not.. Phil and Keith(novi2k) can't hit 500hp do you think a p1 is going to hit 500? Even Gary was having trouble touching 500rwhp with the F1 procharger. And Phil has sucked every inch of hp out of his motor, and his C&W upper intake. - Now back to chris and his build which should make 500 easy -

phil is also a auto. and i made 436rwhp on 19 timing which for my setup is a 93oct tune and with completely stock intake and i have 3 psi more i can through in. It will happen on race gas for sure.

[342pony]

man,after reading all this I kind of want to build me a little sixer. Big time sleeper. You guys probably PISS off alot of people. Don`t you......

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by stangcharger phil is also a auto. and i made 436rwhp on 19 timing which for my setup is a 93oct tune and with completely stock intake and i have 3 psi more i can through in. It will happen on race gas for sure.

Oh, I was talking making 500rwhp on pump gas. Let me know when you go to HPP(Louisville I assume?) for the 500rwhp dyno I'll show up

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by radomirthegreat Sometimes different ideas are seen as stupid and/or ignorant. I'm not the one building a 500 WHP Mustang, so my consequence if I'm ever stupid or ignorant in this thread is minimal if anything. Chris is building a heavy duty Mustang, and if he doesn't consider all possible options, he faces a ton of consequences involving money, time, knowledge, etc. I'm sure he will reach his goal, but there's no reason to consider opposing viewpoints as stupid & ignorant. I don't think anything bad about what he's doing, and he's actually doing it. I'm just talking about different options, and already people think I'm wrong. It's his thread. Of course he gets to decide if he's going to respond or not. Eventually though, if he keeps thinking other ideas are so dumb, those with other different ideas will return the favor.

Originally Posted by Zatrekaz Chris knows what he is doing, and I am sure he has considered all options.

Thank you Zetrekaz, Chris knows what hes doing. Built his engine, bought his turbo kit, bought his stroker kit, researched day and night. Your about a year behind to be trying to come in and give ideas. Now I'm done with the ignorance also.

Chris where are your updates.... Your slacking

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by SSStang Oh, I was talking making 500rwhp on pump gas. Let me know when you go to HPP(Louisville I assume?) for the 500rwhp dyno I'll show up

im gonna try soon. i should get the intake in next week from Tom. I was gonna get in touch with phil as well.

and it should still be close on pump gas unless i hit another wall.

[plove71387]

Originally Posted by stangcharger im gonna try soon. i should get the intake in next week from Tom. I was gonna get in touch with phil as well. and it should still be close on pump gas unless i hit another wall.

Be Prepared to hit many more walls lol .. ive hit about three already and im thinking of parting my car out now haha well really im only thinking of the motor and turbo kit lol

[Zatrekaz]

Originally Posted by SSStang Thank you Zetrekaz, Chris knows what hes doing. Built his engine, bought his turbo kit, bought his stroker kit, researched day and night. Your about a year behind to be trying to come in and give ideas. Now I'm done with the ignorance also. Chris where are your updates.... Your slacking

Thats the key to anything...

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by radomirthegreat Sometimes different ideas are seen as stupid and/or ignorant. I'm not the one building a 500 WHP Mustang, so my consequence if I'm ever stupid or ignorant in this thread is minimal if anything. Chris is building a heavy duty Mustang, and if he doesn't consider all possible options, he faces a ton of consequences involving money, time, knowledge, etc. I'm sure he will reach his goal, but there's no reason to consider opposing viewpoints as stupid & ignorant. I don't think anything bad about what he's doing, and he's actually doing it. I'm just talking about different options, and already people think I'm wrong. It's his thread. Of course he gets to decide if he's going to respond or not. Eventually though, if he keeps thinking other ideas are so dumb, those with other different ideas will return the favor.

Please do not take offense to my qoute. Ive considered and studied every setup and best solutions. I know my car better then i know anything else. I know what it, likes, wants and needs.

I'am confused and unsure on your thoughts about compression and bore...
I chose the compression ratio i picked because not having to pay $7+ a gallon for race fuel and stilll make 600+rwhp through a v6 mustang will blow the mind of anyone on the street.
also I have a few certain goals for this car. one of which is to make a certain rwhp at 17-18psi

Originally Posted by Zatrekaz Chris knows what he is doing, and I am sure he has considered all options.

I have, and thank you
Some of the future option have never been done on a v6 before. a FEW things actually.
One of the biggest things for me is weight. I will aim for about 2800lbs or less before i plan on making and hitting my FINAL goal of the car
which to be honest is not being #1
lol thats like my 2-3rd goal on the list.

Originally Posted by SSStang Thank you Zetrekaz, Chris knows what hes doing. Built his engine, bought his turbo kit, bought his stroker kit, researched day and night. Your about a year behind to be trying to come in and give ideas. Now I'm done with the ignorance also. Chris where are your updates.... Your slacking

lol thank you Kyle. I'am about 30min-1hour from finally finishing porting my last head. Wed i work 8am to 7pm then after that my wed night is dedicated to street races.
Thursday i take the head to the machine shop and build my motor. hopefully by the time i get my first head on i can pick up the other head the same day.

Originally Posted by stangcharger im gonna try soon. i should get the intake in next week from Tom. I was gonna get in touch with phil as well. and it should still be close on pump gas unless i hit another wall.

the SSX and a ported lower will deffinitly help..but 15psi i dont see 60rwhp gains...although with 18psi you could be close....no offense at all to phil but he's taken his setup to a different level and done some un-needed things...thats where i'll leave that...should be interesting to see what an SSX intake will do. That'll DEFFINITLY be a future purchase for me

Originally Posted by plove71387 Be Prepared to hit many more walls lol .. ive hit about three already and im thinking of parting my car out now haha well really im only thinking of the motor and turbo kit lol

you know how i feel about your situation...that shop has screwed you. you shouldnt be having the problems that you are having.
Good luck with w/e you choose

[itschristorres8]

Btw for those that wana know the cars goals

1---11.6-12psi i wana hit 440+rwhp on pump gas...last time i did it on race gas with a conservative tune..and 100octane is barely race gas...that shouldnt be to hard.
but i'd like to see the torque at 420-450rwtq range

2--10s on the turbo and fuel system that i have!--more suspension, tires and a 2step...+a rear end.

3---500+rwhp with no more then 14psi

4---600+rwhp on pump gas with out going over 17-18psi


5---beat Matt from Delk BLOperformance IN STREET FORM! on drag tires, with no more then 18psi on PUMP GAS!!! by beat,,,a 9.70 at 140mph is beating him

6---650+rwhp on pump(doubt it but we'll see)

7---680rwhp or 700rwhp i'll be very happy with 675+ 700 is not on my mind

8---8s---2700-2800lbs....slicks, nitrous, race fuel most likely....according to a calculator only 800CRANK hp is needed for 8.9
in other words
CAKE

by that time i highly assume i'll have an auto C4...
figure 20% driveline loss
20% of 800hp=160hp loss=640rwhp at the ground needed.


Why matt hasnt done it
cause Delk and his sh!t sucks

[white03v6]

damn dude, thats one bad ass stang.
get it all together and go smoke some people who think v6 mustangs arent worth anything!

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by white03v6 damn dude, thats one bad ass stang. get it all together and go smoke some people who think v6 mustangs arent worth anything!

lol thats already been done
full bolt on ls1---walk in the park

YouTube - b18chatch06 vs turbo v6 mustang 30 roll

YouTube - b18chatch06 vs turbo v6 mustang 30 roll

he ran 12.3s and trapped 115mph


bolt on cobra

YouTube - turbo v6 mustang vs pullied cobra

YouTube - turbo v6 mustang vs pullied cobra

My point already has been proven, I'am all over the street scene down here. a good amount of people know about the black v6...but the motor blew before i got famous which is good
lol because when i line up with a 550rwhp GT500 and beat it then line up with a 350whp Lexus and beat it by only 1 car...they're wonder wtF?


sandbagging ftw!

[radomirthegreat]

Ok, I'm back in this thread. I have built up quite a few emails while I've been slacking off in the forum world and working on other things like cleaning my garage and studying.

What I wanted to do is recommend things that of course you didn't need to consider trying personally, but at least you could consider them and tell me if it's possible. It seems someone else decided to come into the argument and put words in your mouth. Sorry if I got the wrong impression about you. I have no doubt that anyone pushing such numbers through any engine is in any way clueless about how to reach a certain goal. The thing is that I tried to have some discussion on different ways to go about getting to that goal for my personal gain so that I would know if it's possible.

My thoughts on compression and bore are that by increasing your bore, you increase the surface area of the piston that compresses now more air. It's very well known that there's a slight, very slight increase in compression with an over-bore. You may over-bore and get to 8.501:1 compression, and so be it if it turns out that way. It was a small suggestion that turned into a big and confusing thing.

Yes, I'm aware that I'm too late to make solid suggestions to change Chris' plans, but why would I want to change them? I started off and continued going in this thread by asking questions to see what Chris and others think. There's no way I would expect Chris to change what he wants to do, but I at least expect that people can tell me more about this engine in particular. Different strokes for different... blocks...

[itschristorres8]

before yes i did want a small then normal charger. i wanted a quick spool rather then mass power

but smaller turbo=more boost to reach your desired goal
more boost=more heat which= less power
so i got 2 negatives to 1 slight positive....

bigger turbo- more air more power less boost
less boost less heat
more power with out turning up boost which less boost=less problems
nitrous=turbo lag killer
2step=lag killer


bigger turbo= NO negative effects when helpers join the picture


in other words
if i got a 67mm turbo
say i might need 15psi to make 540rwhp for an example...
where with a 76mm or 78 i might need only 14psi to make 540rwhp

some might say...ok chris its only 1psi...
oh ya? well when you make 18-21rwhp per psi...1psi is a good helper.

so now i can make 560rwhp with 15psi instead of 540rwhp

this also helps out with long term goals....18psi pump gas-650rwhp rather then 20psi on a smaller turbo that'll max out

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 the SSX and a ported lower will deffinitly help..but 15psi i dont see 60rwhp gains...although with 18psi you could be close....no offense at all to phil but he's taken his setup to a different level and done some un-needed things...thats where i'll leave that...should be interesting to see what an SSX intake will do. That'll DEFFINITLY be a future purchase for me

ya and im kind of just guessing. the car made 385rwhp @11psi on 91oct. then added TB and 4psi and only made 405rwhp the same way i did with the 11psi. 20rwhp off 4psi and TB wasnt much. took the restrictive inlet pipe off for the charger to suck more air and bam 415rwhp, then added 2 degrees of timing and hit 436rwhp.

there is something very restrictive on my setup and i am very sure it is my intakes. I think a ton can be gained by the SSM. 50rwhp i wouldnt be shocked, hell ive blown the TB inlet off on the dyno. lol got bigger until it just blow off due to the pressure.

we will see soon.

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Stangcharger your fate lies in the hands of the SSX intake manifold .... or SSX & race gas. What intercooler are you using? It'll be nice to see a 500rwhp SAE-5 v6 mustang.

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by SSStang Stangcharger your fate lies in the hands of the SSX intake manifold .... or SSX & race gas. What intercooler are you using? It'll be nice to see a 500rwhp SAE-5 v6 mustang.

2 core. that might hurt my chances.

ya sae was 426rwhp. and i hope the hands of the SSM intake are nice. This is the first one of Tom's new guy making them.

[white03v6]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 lol thats already been done full bolt on ls1---walk in the park YouTube - b18chatch06 vs turbo v6 mustang 30 roll he ran 12.3s and trapped 115mph bolt on cobra YouTube - turbo v6 mustang vs pullied cobra My point already has been proven, I'am all over the street scene down here. a good amount of people know about the black v6...but the motor blew before i got famous which is good lol because when i line up with a 550rwhp GT500 and beat it then line up with a 350whp Lexus and beat it by only 1 car...they're wonder wtF? sandbagging ftw!

ya, ive seen that vid against the cobra, and i saw the other one you got against another cobra...im just saying i cant wait for you to be able to make anyone who has a v8 think "why didnt i get a v6?" lol

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by stangcharger 2 core. that might hurt my chances. ya sae was 426rwhp. and i hope the hands of the SSM intake are nice. This is the first one of Tom's new guy making them.

Get rid of that get the eBay intercooler or a better one, I bet if you go that route you would make 500. What IAT are you seeing? Hell make a "stangchargers quest for 500" thread so we can get out of chris's thread.

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by SSStang Get rid of that get the eBay intercooler or a better one, I bet if you go that route you would make 500. What IAT are you seeing? Hell make a "stangchargers quest for 500" thread so we can get out of chris's thread.

word.

chris has my support. and i think he will hit his goal from what i see from him if not exceed.

[itschristorres8]

the motor will be put on hold
figures time i get a company order in a while is the only time that I need time for my car
and since my new promotion at work time is VERY limited.

So due to the order and demand i'am going to have to do the orders first then my car.