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Arsenical · July 5th, 2009, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Big Daddys Stang

Yes plus Gt's fit too actually they're the same...
drilled slotted, great deals on eBay Motors on eBay!

Cheaper than I expected, but I'm paranoid about the quality of ebay products, ill have to do some research

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 03:57 AM

Just don't get the first gray ones, I would get the gold ones and the av. price...

Arsenical · July 5th, 2009, 04:00 AM

FORD MUSTANG 94-04 DOUBLE-DRILLED/SLOTTED BRAKE ROTORS:eBay Motors (item 280359851818 end time Jul-17-09 14:24:13 PDT)
Double drilled? never heard of that, looks sweet though

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 04:04 AM

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mooses · July 5th, 2009, 04:27 AM

I'd stay away from drilled rotors unless you are completely in love with how they look. The decrease in surface area due to the holes actually increases your stopping distance, and you risk cracking them under extreme braking.

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 04:32 AM

The only thing I know/read is brake fade with hard braking plus I had read on a lot of articles that drilled rotors help stopping better not worse not to mention that they dissipate the heat way better..

Arsenical · July 5th, 2009, 04:36 AM

Id have to agree with BDS, I'm not too sure how drilled/slotted rotors would hurt your breaking distance, Id expect drilled rotors to have the same problem as slotted rotors according to what your saying (less surface area due to the slots)

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 04:49 AM

Drilled rotors were used back in the day when a gas would form between the brake pad and rotor. The holes helped get rid of the gases that formed. The materials used today barely ever have problems with gassing, so drilled rotors aren't necessary. It's just a marketing hype. The vanes in modern rotors do just about all the heat dissipation from the rotor to the surrounding, having holes drilled through the rotor isn't going to help heat transfer. One benefit of drilled rotors is that they can actually help with wet braking, but I'd stick with slotted rotors if you're worried about it that much. Drilled rotors are purely for looks.

Originally Posted by Arsenical

Id have to agree with BDS, I'm not too sure how drilled/slotted rotors would hurt your breaking distance, Id expect drilled rotors to have the same problem as slotted rotors according to what your saying (less surface area due to the slots)

For daily street driving, a blank disk should actually stop in a shorter distance than a slotted rotor. There would be more surface area on the blank rotors than on a slotted rotor, and the temperatures would not reach a high enough temperature for the blank disk to lower its coefficient of friction between the disk and pad. The benefits of the slotted rotor would not come into play during almost all street use.

There is a loss of surface area due to the slots, but they can actually serve a purpose, unlike drilled rotors. Slotted rotors can scrape away water film and other particles from between the rotor and pad, and they can help prevent the 'glassing' over of the pad during heavy braking.

edit: I forgot to add one thing about drilled rotors. While the loss of surface area is a negative, you could actually count the decrease in weight as an advantage. It'd probably be negligible, but it's probably worth mentioning...

Arsenical · July 5th, 2009, 05:16 AM

I see... Personally I think the stock brakes are terrible, if upgrading the rotors wont help, how might I improve my brakes (other than new pads)?

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 05:22 AM

Also drilled and slotted rotors are used at the circuits where they run a lot of laps.... I think you're trying to explain something with your words but in real life they do stop the car faster....

I think you're just trying to prove that you aint wrong but still the op wants to get them, and I still stand by what I said..

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Arsenical

I see... then why are drilled/slotted rotors still considered an upgrade from stock? Personally I think the stock brakes are terrible, if upgrading the rotors wont help, how might I improve my brakes (other than new pads)?

Drilled rotors are a complete marketing hype. Slotted rotors can actually serve a purpose. Combine the looks of a drilled+slotted rotor(I'll admit, they look badass) with marketing, and you'll get people to buy them. Lots of us sixers upgrade to the cobra brakes, which have a bigger diameter. You'll definitely notice a difference between the two brake setups.

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Big Daddys Stang

Also drilled and slotted rotors are used at the circuits where they run a lot of laps.... I think you're trying to explain something with your words but in real life they do stop the car faster....

Slotted rotors I could understand, but you'd have to be an absolute fool to run drilled rotors at a track...

Arsenical · July 5th, 2009, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by mooses

Drilled rotors are a complete marketing hype. Slotted rotors can actually serve a purpose. Combine the looks of a drilled+slotted rotor(I'll admit, they look badass) with marketing, and you'll get people to buy them. Lots of us sixers upgrade to the cobra brakes, which have a bigger diameter. You'll definitely notice a difference between the two brake setups.

I see, is it a big job to do the conversion? Is there a write-up somewhere on MM?

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Big Daddys Stang

I think you're trying to explain something with your words but in real life they do stop the car faster....

I think you're just trying to prove that you aint wrong but still the op wants to get them, and I still stand by what I said..

Originally Posted by Arsenical

I see, is it a big job to do the conversion? Is there a write-up somewhere on MM?

It's not too hard to the the conversion, I'll see if I can find a writeup somewhere for you.

edit: I forgot to mention, you'll need larger than stock rims in order to clear the larger cobra rotors. Unless you plan on upgrading wheels soon, you won't be able to do it yet.

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 05:40 AM

From what I've reading drilled aint good for street use go slotted.... I will put more tomorrow I'm tired right now lol...

EDIT: Depending on the BRAND.....

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 04:21 PM

Cross Drilled Rotors

Aftermarket Rotors vs. Oem Rotors

* Aftermarket Last twice as long as regular O.E.M rotors
* Aftermarket Rotors Provides an escape route for the gasses brakes create
* 40% Better Cooling, 20% better stopping, as well as Less Brake Fade and Longer Life with aftermarket rotors
* Aftermarket rotors are stronger, truly balanced and will not crack
* Increases the drilled rotors ability to dissipate heat and cool down the whole brake system

What is the difference O.E.M Rotors vs. drilled Rotors

The reason is simple of why your stock rotors really could effect your life and vehicle and this is why Cross Drilled Rotors are a great investment. Stock rotors are no better than a bad habit of smokeing they both can kill you. O.E.M rotors aborb heat, creates harmful brake dust, gasses, warp and crack. So lets take a look at why that is.

As your driving down the road your oem rotors and pads are creating friction: friction creats heat. With that in mind as your driving in any condition whether it be hot or cold and wet conditions the rotors are not properly functioning. A, they are either getting hotter or creating more gasses between the rotors and pads. Or, B they are going from hot to cold and warping and cracking. Therefore, stock pads have absestos and creating harmful gasses as they are getting hot. Wet conditions also plays a large role in how your rotors function causing the vehicle to have bad brake performance.

Now we know actually how the rotors work and they could be a harmful risk creating gasses or not performing as they should. The answer why you would not have a firm brake pedal or they make a thumping or skidding feeling. Most people dont realize the risks and how much they spend un-necessary dollars every year on rotors and brakes.

What is so good about Drilled Rotors:

So, now we have seen the reason that stock rotors are not so great we can took a look at why drilled rotors are a great investment. Drilled rotors are very compromising investment when it comes to safety and your vehicle.

Drilled rotors have many advantages. The first reason is drilled rotors obviously have drilled holes in them for a reason. The reason is plain to see drilled holes dissipate the heat, gasses and give the pads a break. Drilled rotors also cools the rotors down and makes it easier to stop and have a firm pedal. With stock pads and drilled rotors there will still be friction causeing heat but now the drilled holes in the drilled rotors are giving the heat an escape route.

The drilled holes fume out the gasses the brake system creates. So no pushing the pads away, which creates bad brake performance. Drilled rotors give more performance and stopping power.

Conclusion Oem Rotors vs. Drilled Rotors

The brake system is one of the most important things on your vehicle. Most accidents or problems many people have are because they have stock rotors rather drilled rotors. Due to the fact that people want a better, safer vehicle to drive, drilled rotors will save your life and money.

Drilled holes are machined every certain inch to make the drilled holes have a point. Aftermarket rotors comes in drilled or slotted.

We also carry many other drilled rotors.
Brembo drilled rotor
Baer drilled rotor
Rotora Drilled Rotor
SP Performance Drilled Rotor
Power Slot Drilled Rotor
Racing Brake Drilled Rotor
K Sport Drilled Rotor

Cheap ones will crack, you may want to add good break pads too like Hawks for example....

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Big Daddys Stang

bunch of bullshit blah blah

No.

This is the funniest part:

Now we know actually how the rotors work and they could be a harmful risk creating gasses or not performing as they should.

Whoever wrote that has NO idea how rotors work. That makes me laugh reading it

Just because you can find an article from a website that sells brakes claiming drilled rotors are an improvement, does not make it credible. I can find you websites saying the tornado fuel saver works wonders, and we all know it doesn't make it true.

Big Daddys Stang · July 5th, 2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by mooses

No.

This is the funniest part:

Whoever wrote that has NO idea how rotors work. That makes me laugh reading it

Just because you can find an article from a website that sells brakes claiming drilled rotors are an improvement, does not make it credible. I can find you websites saying the tornado fuel saver works wonders, and we all know it doesn't make it true.

I don't care what you think or believe but just so you can stop posting you win....

mooses · July 5th, 2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Big Daddys Stang

I don't care what you think or believe but just so you can stop posting you win....

It's different. You are posting what you 'think and believe', I am posting actual facts about why drilled rotors do not work. They are a marketing hype and nothing more.

Now if you want to buy them, I have no problem with it. They look awesome, but incorrectly saying they are an improvement just bothers me.

goren420 · July 6th, 2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Arsenical

I see... Personally I think the stock brakes are terrible, if upgrading the rotors wont help, how might I improve my brakes (other than new pads)?

Larger diameter rotors (like the Cobra brakes, as mentioned). Also calipers with more pistons (like the Cobra brakes, as mentioned). Most likely for a six just having nice, unwarped rotors and healthy pads (not of the cheapest brand) will suffice. Unless you put down some good power or do a lot of track driving, stock components, so long as they are in good shape, will be fine. Drilled/slotted rotors in my opinion are an upgrade, whether looks are the selling point or not. Maybe this is the start of some road testing comparing stock brake performance to some drilled/slotted. Some 60-0's and slolam(sp.) for fun? I think moose does give some good points about the reduction of surface area, and as I said, for a near stock sixxer the stock components pack plenty of braking power. Look into R1 concepts, my roomate has their rotors on his Expo and loves them. Drilled & slotted I think all 4 wheels for $150 at their ebay store. Hawk pads are a good combo, I think R1 still sells them too.

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Arsenical Regular 2003 Mustang V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 119	FORD MUSTANG 94-04 DOUBLE-DRILLED/SLOTTED BRAKE ROTORS:eBay Motors (item 280359851818 end time Jul-17-09 14:24:13 PDT) Double drilled? never heard of that, looks sweet though __________________ 2003 Mustang V6 Shoppinglist: HID kit, 4.10 gears, t-lok, windstar, udp, cam, exhaust

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Big Daddys Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,904	The only thing I know/read is brake fade with hard braking plus I had read on a lot of articles that drilled rotors help stopping better not worse not to mention that they dissipate the heat way better.. __________________ *~For Newbies:* Rep are those little green squares, to give reputation click the gray scale, under the person you want to rep, then write why & name. Looking & buying soon a 01-04 Mustang GT

July 5th, 2009, 04:36 AM	#27
Arsenical Regular 2003 Mustang V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 119	Id have to agree with BDS, I'm not too sure how drilled/slotted rotors would hurt your breaking distance, Id expect drilled rotors to have the same problem as slotted rotors according to what your saying (less surface area due to the slots) __________________ 2003 Mustang V6 Shoppinglist: HID kit, 4.10 gears, t-lok, windstar, udp, cam, exhaust

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July 5th, 2009, 04:27 AM	#25
mooses Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 336	I'd stay away from drilled rotors unless you are completely in love with how they look. The decrease in surface area due to the holes actually increases your stopping distance, and you risk cracking them under extreme braking.

July 5th, 2009, 05:16 AM	#29
Arsenical Regular 2003 Mustang V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 119	I see... Personally I think the stock brakes are terrible, if upgrading the rotors wont help, how might I improve my brakes (other than new pads)? __________________ 2003 Mustang V6 Shoppinglist: HID kit, 4.10 gears, t-lok, windstar, udp, cam, exhaust Last edited by Arsenical : July 5th, 2009 at 05:21 AM.

July 5th, 2009, 05:22 AM	#30
Big Daddys Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,904	Also drilled and slotted rotors are used at the circuits where they run a lot of laps.... I think you're trying to explain something with your words but in real life they do stop the car faster.... I think you're just trying to prove that you aint wrong but still the op wants to get them, and I still stand by what I said.. __________________ *~For Newbies:* Rep are those little green squares, to give reputation click the gray scale, under the person you want to rep, then write why & name. Looking & buying soon a 01-04 Mustang GT Last edited by Big Daddys Stang : July 5th, 2009 at 05:24 AM.

July 5th, 2009, 05:40 AM	#35
Big Daddys Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,904	From what I've reading drilled aint good for street use go slotted.... I will put more tomorrow I'm tired right now lol... EDIT: Depending on the BRAND..... __________________ *~For Newbies:* Rep are those little green squares, to give reputation click the gray scale, under the person you want to rep, then write why & name. Looking & buying soon a 01-04 Mustang GT Last edited by Big Daddys Stang : July 5th, 2009 at 05:43 AM.

July 5th, 2009, 04:21 PM	#36
Big Daddys Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,904	Cross Drilled Rotors Aftermarket Rotors vs. Oem Rotors * Aftermarket Last twice as long as regular O.E.M rotors * Aftermarket Rotors Provides an escape route for the gasses brakes create * 40% Better Cooling, 20% better stopping, as well as Less Brake Fade and Longer Life with aftermarket rotors * Aftermarket rotors are stronger, truly balanced and will not crack * Increases the drilled rotors ability to dissipate heat and cool down the whole brake system What is the difference O.E.M Rotors vs. drilled Rotors The reason is simple of why your stock rotors really could effect your life and vehicle and this is why Cross Drilled Rotors are a great investment. Stock rotors are no better than a bad habit of smokeing they both can kill you. O.E.M rotors aborb heat, creates harmful brake dust, gasses, warp and crack. So lets take a look at why that is. As your driving down the road your oem rotors and pads are creating friction: friction creats heat. With that in mind as your driving in any condition whether it be hot or cold and wet conditions the rotors are not properly functioning. A, they are either getting hotter or creating more gasses between the rotors and pads. Or, B they are going from hot to cold and warping and cracking. Therefore, stock pads have absestos and creating harmful gasses as they are getting hot. Wet conditions also plays a large role in how your rotors function causing the vehicle to have bad brake performance. Now we know actually how the rotors work and they could be a harmful risk creating gasses or not performing as they should. The answer why you would not have a firm brake pedal or they make a thumping or skidding feeling. Most people dont realize the risks and how much they spend un-necessary dollars every year on rotors and brakes. What is so good about Drilled Rotors: So, now we have seen the reason that stock rotors are not so great we can took a look at why drilled rotors are a great investment. Drilled rotors are very compromising investment when it comes to safety and your vehicle. Drilled rotors have many advantages. The first reason is drilled rotors obviously have drilled holes in them for a reason. The reason is plain to see drilled holes dissipate the heat, gasses and give the pads a break. Drilled rotors also cools the rotors down and makes it easier to stop and have a firm pedal. With stock pads and drilled rotors there will still be friction causeing heat but now the drilled holes in the drilled rotors are giving the heat an escape route. The drilled holes fume out the gasses the brake system creates. So no pushing the pads away, which creates bad brake performance. Drilled rotors give more performance and stopping power. Conclusion Oem Rotors vs. Drilled Rotors The brake system is one of the most important things on your vehicle. Most accidents or problems many people have are because they have stock rotors rather drilled rotors. Due to the fact that people want a better, safer vehicle to drive, drilled rotors will save your life and money. Drilled holes are machined every certain inch to make the drilled holes have a point. Aftermarket rotors comes in drilled or slotted. We also carry many other drilled rotors. Brembo drilled rotor Baer drilled rotor Rotora Drilled Rotor SP Performance Drilled Rotor Power Slot Drilled Rotor Racing Brake Drilled Rotor K Sport Drilled Rotor Cheap ones will crack, you may want to add good break pads too like Hawks for example.... __________________ *~For Newbies:* Rep are those little green squares, to give reputation click the gray scale, under the person you want to rep, then write why & name. Looking & buying soon a 01-04 Mustang GT Last edited by Big Daddys Stang : July 5th, 2009 at 04:23 PM.

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