[risingerj]

is it possible to run a supercharger (low boost) without an intercooler, and would it be safe and durable for daily driving?

[goren813]

"In general we would not recommend intercoolers on supercharged engines with less than 8-9psi of boost, as the benefits will not be substantial. Essentially, run an intercooler when only when you running peak boost (i.e. any more boost would cause detonation) for the octane of fuel you use. Intercoolers work well in both warm and cool climates and work exceptionally well on marine applications because of the easy access to cold water."

-I just pulled that off a site from a quick google search. I suppose for low boost applications it isn't necessary or suggested. I do know that some chargers get hotter quicker then others, so it probably depends on your exact set up. If you want to push 10+ psi, then definitely.

[Trick Tuners]

An intercooler is always a good idea, even at low boost. You can run without one, but the IATs are sky high. some run meth, but i'm not a fan of it.
Issues with Methanol Injection - Trick Tuners Forums

[risingerj]

thanks. does the m112 have a cooler that must be installed? I need some more info on locating those parts and some extra research.

[RFM 40th V6]

M112's do not have a cooler although I believe it is possible to mount the cobra one on there.

If you do though it's going to be sticking wayyyyyyyyy out of the hood.

[sonicstang03]

a lot of ppl do it. what you would need is an alternate cooling source like methanol injection. which is a cheap and easy solution.

i have a full meth injection kit brand new kit for sale actually. PM me if anyone is interested

but they are working on a IC setup for the m12 just taking a while to come up with it

[RFM 40th V6]

Hmm. If that's the case I think I'll hold off on my kit for a while.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by Trick Tuners An intercooler is always a good idea, even at low boost. You can run without one, but the IATs are sky high. some run meth, but i'm not a fan of it. Issues with Methanol Injection - Trick Tuners Forums

+1
Vortech makes kit with out an intercooler on these cars. But keep in mind the higher the IATs the lower the power, the more stress and engine wear

Originally Posted by risingerj thanks. does the m112 have a cooler that must be installed? I need some more info on locating those parts and some extra research.

m112 would have a heat changer, basically coolant that would run through the s/c to keep it cooler

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by sonicstang03 a lot of ppl do it. what you would need is an alternate cooling source like methanol injection. which is a cheap and easy solution. i have a full meth injection kit brand new kit for sale actually. PM me if anyone is interested but they are working on a IC setup for the m12 just taking a while to come up with it

ugh. ok reason why the tuner that posted and that many tuners in general dont like meth injection is for a few reasons.
Meth sure it works great when it works. but thats another thing that can go wrong, pump can go out, run low on juice. noozle not installed correctly blown fuse many small things.

now when one of those goes wrong and your tune depends on meth for higher boost, your motor will basically blow or be on the verge. when it blows or something goes wrong, the first person to get blamed will be the tuner. People will say why didnt you have a tune to counter act this blah blah blah.
thats why the most SIMPLE setups work the best and last the longest.

boost-a-pumps are the same just another thing that CAN go bad, fuse blow, boost a pump is basically an AMP, we all know how amps go bad.

keep in mind, BOTH meth and boost-a-pumps DO WORK and when they do they do a great job. WHEN it works

[sonicstang03]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 ugh. ok reason why the tuner that posted and that many tuners in general dont like meth injection is for a few reasons. Meth sure it works great when it works. but thats another thing that can go wrong, pump can go out, run low on juice. noozle not installed correctly blown fuse many small things. now when one of those goes wrong and your tune depends on meth for higher boost, your motor will basically blow or be on the verge. when it blows or something goes wrong, the first person to get blamed will be the tuner. People will say why didnt you have a tune to counter act this blah blah blah. thats why the most SIMPLE setups work the best and last the longest. boost-a-pumps are the same just another thing that CAN go bad, fuse blow, boost a pump is basically an AMP, we all know how amps go bad. keep in mind, BOTH meth and boost-a-pumps DO WORK and when they do they do a great job. WHEN it works

yeah but meth kits come with low level sensors and activation lights. if the pump fails you will know it. and if you stay out of boost your fine

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by sonicstang03 yeah but meth kits come with low level sensors and activation lights. if the pump fails you will know it. and if you stay out of boost your fine

This is true, but as I said and my experience with my tuner and talking with others they generally dont like it for those reasons.

[sonicstang03]

yeah i jut think if you notice your activation light isnt comming on and your still getting into boost its your fault for being dumb and blowing your motor

[ESG-642T]

So what if your at the 1000ft mark the quarter mile at 6k and the pump just goes out....

[sonicstang03]

sue the meth company

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by sonicstang03 sue the meth company

Yeah that's not going to work....

[Trick Tuners]

Originally Posted by ESG-642T So what if your at the 1000ft mark the quarter mile at 6k and the pump just goes out....

For sure. I'd bet that pumps fail more than baps.

Originally Posted by sonicstang03 sue the meth company

haha, good luck! Sue ford for not building the engine tough enough while you are at it.

[04mustang232]

your supercharging something that isn't designed for boost, so i would do every little thing to help make it safe

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by 04mustang232 your supercharging something that isn't designed for boost, so i would do every little thing to help make it safe

this is true but at the same time while tuning the tuner will use the meth in the tune.
that in turn makes the motor rely on the meth kit.

btw folks I just had a buddy sunday blow the fuse on his boost a pump while racing in his cobra. he was lucky the car just shut off. but to think a .50cent part will cause a $4,000mistake....sucks.

the more things you add to car the more things can go wrong.
The most simple setups work best for a reason.


example-
local buddy has an SRT-4, direct port nitrous, 50trim, meth kit, dog box the WORKS and more.--28-30psi
this car is incredibly slow and has the worst turbo lag in the world and I could show you vidoes from youtube. the meth kit always runs low or fails or fouls his plugs. alcohol did the same.

another buddy, stock motor, 50trim just a tune on safe boost with good ole pump gas. 18psi
he blows the doors off the guy above. and made 100whp LESS.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by sonicstang03 sue the meth company

ahahahahah oh shit thats fuckin funny. Bet you scream rape if the breeze whistles by your taint too.





I don't exactly know if the v6 has an intake manifold to accomodate the intercooler of the m112, but like it was said you would probably either need to cut a hole in your hood or get a cowl.