[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Chris, that Honda's a pretty poor example if you're trying to show what can be done with a Ford 3.8L. For one, you're comparing an economy pushrod motor to a DOHC setup that's variable cam timing/lift. I'd be willing to be that single Honda head outflows both of the heads on the Mustang V6. I'm at work, so I didn't watch the video, but I'm guessing that motor was spinning 9k+ to make the power it did. At the very least, you'll need a forged crank if you expect a 3.8L to see that rpm and not scatter. I know there's no factory forged sixxer cranks, are the stoker kits offered with a forged crank? (honest question) Even then, there's not that many pushrod motors that are turning over 8k. I'm not gonna say it's not possible to make a 300hp pump gas 3.8L V6, as Hyundai sells one right now, and Nissan sells a 320hp 3.7L (both doing it with DOHC/variable cam motors). I think that you have a lot working against you though if you expect to build a Ford 3.8L to that kind of power level without a lot of custom fabrication. Do you have an example of someone who's making 300whp or better with a Mustang V6? (again, honest question).

SORRY IF YOUR EXTREMELY CLOSE MINDED
go crawl in the same hole where people said v6s would never run 10s

lol if you had a v6 spin to 7500rpms 300hp would be a laugh in the past
i was talking 6500-6800rpms
your forgetting SSOOO much
i doubt that honda head first and for most flows 500+cfm! thats smoking big block heads
second our motor is MUCH bigger and makes much more torque and the bore size and piston size isnt even comparable! stop with your silly excuses.

plus you think that hondas "500+cfm" heads are benifiting that car all motor! lmao

the video is AN IDEA. AN EXAMPLE. you say its a bad one, I say you have a bad reason and poor range of options. you'll stay under the safe category where trying something new isnt your thing go with the proven already done 50times setup and never stand out.



lastly...ive said sooo many times already NO ONE is making 300whp n/a v6...but what would you prove with that?!
how many people even attempt it?
that still doesnt prove the fact OF HOW EASY!
I could do it with out ANY sheet metal custom fabrication. a plastic little intake manifold off a mini van. a 4.3L stroker, the heads and cam and the right rear and tranny.

DO YOU know the difference between a the loss in a t5 and a C4 tranny....
DO YOU know the gains between 87-93 octane and 118+ octane rated fuel?

making some dyno read 300hp is pointless.
I might be able to easily build a 300hp v6 doesnt mean it'll run mid 11 or 11.80s.


OPEN YOUR MIND PEOPLE. 300hp n/a is not a mythalogical story that'll never be real. Its so possible and doable its upsetting

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Oh, that would make sense... I honestly don't know.

So why are you posting then?

8000rpm turning V6 mustang

[slvr2000stang]

so do it.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang so do it.

lol and be a slow as you!
no thanks
if i did i know my rings would at least be filed in under a month

oh then id pose and insert un-oil parts for pictures cause its cool.
then diss a company that I watched build a motor then later point out all the obvious flaws and pretend like i know stuff about these cars but cant tell the difference between a gasket match and a uniform as hell ports.

but he we cant ALL have your knowledge right Kirk?!
Mr. Clean hands no brains.




1 more thing, you cant race me if my daily runs faster then what your cars ever done and its bone stock.....

Keep up your great builds! because 240whp and still in the 14s is well proven on your side. plus you make alllll the right choices...what $7-9K on a motor that looked like crap and built by crap performance.

Tell me more Kirk cause if i listen to you clearly I'll make the right choices as your past as proven.



Btw i do talk this much shit in person if the person is truly a RICER as you. see you in 5months

[WLJohnson05]

lets stay on topic people. remember there is a difference between good arguements and bashing people.

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 lol and be a slow as you! no thanks if i did i know my rings would at least be filed in under a month oh then id pose and insert un-oil parts for pictures cause its cool. then diss a company that I watched build a motor then later point out all the obvious flaws and pretend like i know stuff about these cars but cant tell the difference between a gasket match and a uniform as hell ports. but he we cant ALL have your knowledge right Kirk?! Mr. Clean hands no brains. 1 more thing, you cant race me if my daily runs faster then what your cars ever done and its bone stock..... Keep up your great builds! because 240whp and still in the 14s is well proven on your side. plus you make alllll the right choices...what $7-9K on a motor that looked like crap and built by crap performance. Tell me more Kirk cause if i listen to you clearly I'll make the right choices as your past as proven. Btw i do talk this much shit in person if the person is truly a RICER as you. see you in 5months

Holy shit Chris, I was being serious and giving you a chance.
But obviously you have to take the low road all the time.

Good luck and see you on the other side.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 NO ONE is making 300whp n/a v6

And why is that, Chris?

[JTs03v6]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Chris, that Honda's a pretty poor example if you're trying to show what can be done with a Ford 3.8L. For one, you're comparing an economy pushrod motor to a DOHC setup that's variable cam timing/lift. I'd be willing to be that single Honda head outflows both of the heads on the Mustang V6. I'm at work, so I didn't watch the video, but I'm guessing that motor was spinning 9k+ to make the power it did. At the very least, you'll need a forged crank if you expect a 3.8L to see that rpm and not scatter. I know there's no factory forged sixxer cranks, are the stoker kits offered with a forged crank? (honest question) Even then, there's not that many pushrod motors that are turning over 8k. I'm not gonna say it's not possible to make a 300hp pump gas 3.8L V6, as Hyundai sells one right now, and Nissan sells a 320hp 3.7L (both doing it with DOHC/variable cam motors). I think that you have a lot working against you though if you expect to build a Ford 3.8L to that kind of power level without a lot of custom fabrication. Do you have an example of someone who's making 300whp or better with a Mustang V6? (again, honest question).

Honest question...The cars you speak of with similar displacement as the v6 mustang...what would they make on a chasis dyno to the wheels?? 260-270?? That can be done with h/c/i swap on a mustang v6 with a decent exhaust.
I feel if we had half the aftermarket support as the old buick gn's no one would waste their money on a v8 mustang. Only if we had a turbo from the factory then we would catch the aftermarket attention. Hell...we even have to make custom turbo headers. And thanks to a very few v6 supporters we can buy a stroker kit for this car. I just hope the 3.8/4.2 dont disapear like the 2.3 has done over the years. But it looks to be heading that way

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 Honest question...The cars you speak of with similar displacement as the v6 mustang...what would they make on a chasis dyno to the wheels?? 260-270??

That sounds about right.

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 That can be done with h/c/i swap on a mustang v6 with a decent exhaust.

Can it? That's a serious question, not a contradiction. What heads and intake would you use to get there? Just to be clear, I'm talking about the pushrod 3.8L, not the OHC 4.0.

A 5.0 with a "normal" H/C/I swap makes around 300 at the crank, so I find it interesting that you get the same results with the same architecture but 3/4ths the displacement. I would think that you'd be making more like 230 at the crank after such a swap, maybe 250 with good heads.

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 I feel if we had half the aftermarket support as the old buick gn's no one would waste their money on a v8 mustang. Only if we had a turbo from the factory then we would catch the aftermarket attention.

I only disagree with this in that there will always be people who buy the V8 because "that's what a Mustang is supposed to have", or the argument "that same money spent on a V8 and you'd have X more hp".

Other than that, I think you've hit the nail on the head; because of the availability of, and large aftermarket for, the V8, it's assumed that anyone who's interested in performance will go that route. Those that do chase performance usually have the V6 because they couldn't afford the V8, and likewise can't afford aftermarket parts for the sixxer anyway.

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 Hell...we even have to make custom turbo headers. And thanks to a very few v6 supporters we can buy a stroker kit for this car. I just hope the 3.8/4.2 dont disapear like the 2.3 has done over the years. But it looks to be heading that way

I also don't expect them to stick around. If the rumors of the 3.7L V6 are true, I expect 3.8 parts to start getting scarce.

[Codeman]

ya well lets hope the parts do not get scarce. And as far as the hp numbers go. The numbers are there for the possibility of getting to 300 rwhp. If the v6 mustang that ran 10 sec with nos and 11 someting without got 265 to the wheels with the c4 and an 8.8. I think that with the t5 and the 7.5 and some better ported heads and some experimenting that it may be possible. just the change from the c4 and 8.8 will change the numbers quite a bit. i don't want to start an arguement. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it is just kind of a goal of mine. And I will hopefully accomplish it and then can prove that it can be done. I guess only time will tell.

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by Codeman ya well lets hope the parts do not get scarce. And as far as the hp numbers go. The numbers are there for the possibility of getting to 300 rwhp. If the v6 mustang that ran 10 sec with nos and 11 someting without got 265 to the wheels with the c4 and an 8.8. I think that with the t5 and the 7.5 and some better ported heads and some experimenting that it may be possible. just the change from the c4 and 8.8 will change the numbers quite a bit. i don't want to start an arguement. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it is just kind of a goal of mine. And I will hopefully accomplish it and then can prove that it can be done. I guess only time will tell.

Remember that was a very light fox body

[Codeman]

well i am not looking for the time that he got, I am looking for the rwhp. And he had 278 rwhp with the c4 and 8.8 with out the nitrous. I think that it is reasonable. I hope that I can get the 300 rwhp mark. I got all the goodies for my rearend coming on the way, and 3.73 gears, and im looking at getting a windstar upper at christmas.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter And why is that, Chris?

I've said before, pay attention

secondly just shut up. YOU DONT KNOW what you're talking about at all. IF YOU have no knowledge its better you just stay quiet and not get noticed for your ignorant, close minded statments

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang Holy shit Chris, I was being serious and giving you a chance. But obviously you have to take the low road all the time. Good luck and see you on the other side.

Why dont I built it? Why dont you give me the money and I'll do it. I'm sure you have another $9k to hand out

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 I've said before, pay attention secondly just shut up. YOU DONT KNOW what you're talking about at all. IF YOU have no knowledge its better you just stay quiet and not get noticed for your ignorant, close minded statments

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 Why dont I built it? Why dont you give me the money and I'll do it. I'm sure you have another $9k to hand out

Now there is the Chris we know.

Welcome back.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 I've said before, pay attention secondly just shut up. YOU DONT KNOW what you're talking about at all. IF YOU have no knowledge its better you just stay quiet and not get noticed for your ignorant, close minded statments

Chris, you're so easy to troll, hahaha.

On a more serious note, what *exactly* have I said that's ignorant and close minded? It seems to me that you're so convinced that I'm attacking your favorite motor that you just go all rabid defending it rather correcting anything I've said that's wrong.

[ESG-642T]

Highest N/A hp.. on v6p.net:
264.8/280 Stock 4.2L bottomend, Longtube headers, RPM Gen1 BV Heads, 207/215 camshaft, Stage 1 Lower and Modified Upper intake, MAC CAI, Dual Magnaflows w/ X-pipe, UD Pulley, 70mm TB


So, with the right upper, cnc heads, some compression, maybe a custom set of long tubes, better parts to spin it up to 7k, cnc lower without the egr bungs at all, more well matched cam. You could prob pick up that 36rwhp.

[236Mustang]

just buy a motor from SSM (if u got the money )

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...Shotblocks.pdf

"these engines can be tuned to produce 280-390 horsepower naturally aspirated"

but i think they mean like 280-390 hp to the crank hummm...

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by 236Mustang just buy a motor from SSM (if u got the money ) http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...Shotblocks.pdf "these engines can be tuned to produce 280-390 horsepower naturally aspirated" but i think they mean like 280-390 hp to the crank hummm...

Why do that, when I can build one for half the price?

[236Mustang]

Originally Posted by ESG-642T Why do that, when I can build one for half the price?

well for people that dont want to go threw the hassle of putting anything together . For them to just buy is assembled and that have the money