EGR Delete, Why and How???

lcorriveau3 · December 19th, 2009, 02:25 PM

What is the benefit of the EGR removal? Is this something that should be done on a DD? Current goals are to remain N/A with track useage in the future. Thanks for the info.

9986paulk · December 19th, 2009, 02:43 PM

there is really no benefit to it. it makes it easier for installing a windstar and it deleted with FI most of the time. I think it stops from recirculating some crap into your engine, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes anyway

rfcsoulja · December 20th, 2009, 03:02 AM

I can't tell anything different. Like stated above, it make it easier to change plugs as well as other mods for your car (like Long tubes).

itschristorres8 · December 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM

Theres no real benifit for it. I sell them mainly to people who go turbo, s/c or swap the windstar on. but I can get a bracket or even VAP sells the bracket to keep the EGR with the windstar.
Another thing is generally a LOT of cars have codes pop up related to the EGR valve. either it goes bad or a vac line. its cheaper to delete the EGR valve and never worry about it rather then replace it

riddlee josh · December 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM

and the engine bay looks alot better.

Codeman · December 22nd, 2009, 12:48 PM

Another thing is generally a LOT of cars have codes pop up related to the EGR valve. either it goes bad or a vac line. its cheaper to delete the EGR valve and never worry about it rather then replace it

I really wish i would have found the site sooner than I had. Cuz I would have deleted my egr, cuz i got a code and had to buy some sensor for the egr costed like 75 bucks. I am definatley deleting mine when I do my windstar also.

BIGBLOCKTRADER · December 22nd, 2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by lcorriveau3

What is the benefit of the EGR removal? Is this something that should be done on a DD? Current goals are to remain N/A with track useage in the future. Thanks for the info.

EGR recirculates exhaust gases back to your intake to reburn them.(emissions). You probably wont notice a butt difference. But your engine will.
I removed mine. I did'nt want hot exhaust gas mixing with my cool intake charge.Plus removing tube on pass side makes it easy to service plugs and valve cover.You will pull a code.I'm getting SCT next week so i dont mind the temporary light.

88TempoGLS · December 22nd, 2009, 11:28 PM

The EGR isnt just to reburn exhaust gas, its to cool the combustion chamber to reduce NOX, one of the pollutants produced when the combustion chamber reaches 2500+ degrees.

stephen · December 23rd, 2009, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by 88TempoGLS

The EGR isnt just to reburn exhaust gas, its to cool the combustion chamber to reduce NOX, one of the pollutants produced when the combustion chamber reaches 2500+ degrees.

Yes. It reduces burn temperature which reduces NOx formation.

There could be problems from deleting EGR due to higher burn temperatures,
e.g. preignition. I suppose if you can modify the tune it can be compensated for.

Also in some states the car will not pass emissions testing with EGR deleted.

stephen · December 23rd, 2009, 01:27 AM

As Chris said VAP has a Windstar kit that retains the EGR.

VAP Auto - Windstar Kit

This looks like a clean way to do it.

If you do keep the EGR it would be a good idea to remove the lower intake and clean out the EGR passageways.

lcorriveau3 · December 24th, 2009, 05:19 AM

THanks for the responses to my thread about EGR. Now I am interested on the Windstar kit. Now it's time to save even more money for upgrade.

rfcsoulja · December 24th, 2009, 11:44 AM

^Welcome to the black hole my friend. . .

ReverendDexter · December 24th, 2009, 12:00 PM

The EGR only opens at partial throttle, low rpm, and it increases fuel economy. The only reasons to remove it are aesthetic.

EDIT: And when you're getting boosty.

lcorriveau3 · December 25th, 2009, 05:20 AM

So with my goal of staying N/A I can just leave it. That windstar kit from VAP looks like a nice set up. Would this set up require a reflash of the computer? You hear so many opinions. What mods actually require a reflash? Tuner or Dyno session?

lcorriveau3 · December 25th, 2009, 05:32 AM

Sorry I found another thread with a post from Trick Tuners with some answers, but still not sure if the windstar kit needs a reflash?

Zatrekaz · December 26th, 2009, 07:10 AM

I don't belive you do. Your just changing your upper intake's geometery so no reason to re program the ECU.

lcorriveau3 · December 27th, 2009, 04:11 PM

OK thanks for the info.

Codeman · December 28th, 2009, 08:16 PM

i would not think that you would neccisarily need to reflash your computer. it cant hurt tho cuz you will make more power.

December 19th, 2009, 02:25 PM	#1
lcorriveau3 Enthusiast 1999 YAWN!!! what?? Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N'oreast Posts: 692 iTrader: 0 reviews	EGR Delete, Why and How??? What is the benefit of the EGR removal? Is this something that should be done on a DD? Current goals are to remain N/A with track useage in the future. Thanks for the info. __________________

December 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM	#4
itschristorres8 Banned 00 V6 & 09 GT 13.37@104.4mph--BONE stock GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 15,806 iTrader: 2 reviews	Theres no real benifit for it. I sell them mainly to people who go turbo, s/c or swap the windstar on. but I can get a bracket or even VAP sells the bracket to keep the EGR with the windstar. Another thing is generally a LOT of cars have codes pop up related to the EGR valve. either it goes bad or a vac line. its cheaper to delete the EGR valve and never worry about it rather then replace it __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Acmillr loves me

December 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM	#5
riddlee josh Enthusiast 1998 mustang 3.8l v6 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: portsmouth ohio Posts: 811 iTrader: 0 reviews	and the engine bay looks alot better. __________________ RACING because baseball,basketball, bowling,football, and golf only require one ball

December 22nd, 2009, 11:28 PM	#8
88TempoGLS Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 Ford Contour SVT 15.2 @ 90mph Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Middletown, Pa Posts: 2,452 iTrader: 0 reviews	The EGR isnt just to reburn exhaust gas, its to cool the combustion chamber to reduce NOX, one of the pollutants produced when the combustion chamber reaches 2500+ degrees. __________________ 2000 CSVT 03 Escape 3L block, 02 Mercury Cougar 2.5 heads, SVT cams untuned. Stock manifolds, short ram intake, MSDS Y pipe, stock exhaust. 195whp/182wtq 1985 Honda 450 Nighthawk 70+MPG average 8200 miles and counting

December 24th, 2009, 12:00 PM	#13
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,808 iTrader: 0 reviews	The EGR only opens at partial throttle, low rpm, and it increases fuel economy. The only reasons to remove it are aesthetic. EDIT: And when you're getting boosty. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\

December 19th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#2
9986paulk Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Youngstown Posts: 1,226 iTrader: 3 reviews	there is really no benefit to it. it makes it easier for installing a windstar and it deleted with FI most of the time. I think it stops from recirculating some crap into your engine, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes anyway

December 20th, 2009, 03:02 AM	#3
rfcsoulja Hardcore Enthusiast 01 True Blue v6 to slow to matter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,141 iTrader: 0 reviews	I can't tell anything different. Like stated above, it make it easier to change plugs as well as other mods for your car (like Long tubes).

December 23rd, 2009, 01:27 AM	#10
stephen Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,262 iTrader: 0 reviews	As Chris said VAP has a Windstar kit that retains the EGR. VAP Auto - Windstar Kit This looks like a clean way to do it. If you do keep the EGR it would be a good idea to remove the lower intake and clean out the EGR passageways.

December 24th, 2009, 05:19 AM	#11
lcorriveau3 Enthusiast 1999 YAWN!!! what?? Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N'oreast Posts: 692 iTrader: 0 reviews	THanks for the responses to my thread about EGR. Now I am interested on the Windstar kit. Now it's time to save even more money for upgrade.

December 24th, 2009, 11:44 AM	#12
rfcsoulja Hardcore Enthusiast 01 True Blue v6 to slow to matter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,141 iTrader: 0 reviews	^Welcome to the black hole my friend. . .

December 25th, 2009, 05:20 AM	#14
lcorriveau3 Enthusiast 1999 YAWN!!! what?? Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N'oreast Posts: 692 iTrader: 0 reviews	So with my goal of staying N/A I can just leave it. That windstar kit from VAP looks like a nice set up. Would this set up require a reflash of the computer? You hear so many opinions. What mods actually require a reflash? Tuner or Dyno session?

December 25th, 2009, 05:32 AM	#15
lcorriveau3 Enthusiast 1999 YAWN!!! what?? Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N'oreast Posts: 692 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sorry I found another thread with a post from Trick Tuners with some answers, but still not sure if the windstar kit needs a reflash?

December 26th, 2009, 07:10 AM	#16
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	I don't belive you do. Your just changing your upper intake's geometery so no reason to re program the ECU. __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

December 27th, 2009, 04:11 PM	#17
lcorriveau3 Enthusiast 1999 YAWN!!! what?? Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N'oreast Posts: 692 iTrader: 0 reviews	OK thanks for the info.

December 28th, 2009, 08:16 PM	#18
Codeman Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Dakota Posts: 2,933 iTrader: 1 reviews	i would not think that you would neccisarily need to reflash your computer. it cant hurt tho cuz you will make more power. __________________ UDP, CAI, True Duals, LTs, 91 Tune from TT, 3.73 gears, Tlok,Windstar upper, GT TB, Ported lower, Comp 218/226 cam, FRPP C Springs, J&M LCA, Tokico Blue shocks and struts, and J&M Full Length Subframe Connectors

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