[dsavercool]

My previous post regarding this was moved to an off-topic forum for some reason, and I'd rather stay on the topic of v6 mustangs.

Here is a recap of the post

I'd prefer to stay between 2,000-2,500 on parts AND labor. Which likely narrows the field a bit, and rather than get more parts for less, I'd rather get higher quality and less parts (if that makes sense). The idea of a short throw shifter has me pumped, but I doubt I'll see a real performance increase, it will just be more fun.

I'd like to take the car from 190hp to maybe 240-265'ish, the latter being the favorable :-)


Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:42 pm
ide get a stage 2 powerpack from supersix,tuner,t-lock,gears,dual exhaust,ud pullies,that will be around 3grand but ulle be around 270hp and 3grand...
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:43 pm
ok full bolt ons
CAI

Tuner

Full exhaust with LT headers and custom H-pipe if you have emissions and off road one from MAC if you don't

UD pulleys

T-lok and either 4.10 or 3.73 gears



What is a CAI? In any case I may just print out the forum thread and bring it to my mechanic, and see what he says. Getting up to 270hp w/ a short throw shifter for 3,000 seems like a real good deal, I hope it isn't too far-fetched.

[scrapdaddy jr.]

c.a.i. = C old. A ir. I ntake.

[GreenFaleen]

with the power pak and full bolt ons you can see those numbers. A short throw shifter won't really increase performance, but it will be fun to drive and you won't miss second as much

[dsavercool]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen with the power pak and full bolt ons you can see those numbers. A short throw shifter won't really increase performance, but it will be fun to drive and you won't miss second as much

I had bought a cold air intake off of ebay when I first got the car, it was only 60 bucks, but was fairly easy to install. What is the typical price range of a CAI, oh and what is a powerpak exactly?

PS Sorry to be Naive.

[GreenFaleen]

CAI's go from 20-250, but paying over 100 bucks is pointless.

Go here to read up on power paks
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/

[AtlanticBlue99]

you would be lucky to see 200 rwhp with those mods. full bolt ons will get you 200 with a good tune. 260 requires port work and a cam or a poweradder.

[dsavercool]

Originally Posted by AtlanticBlue99 you would be lucky to see 200 rwhp with those mods. full bolt ons will get you 200 with a good tune. 260 requires port work and a cam or a poweradder.

Well then, being as I'm at 190 stock, spending 2,500 to go to 200 doesn't seem worth it at all. Does a CAI truly add any HP at all, because I have one on it now, but it's been so long that I can't remember what it was like driving it prior to putting it on. Personally, I'd like to turbo or super charge it, but that might be a little too much engine work, and the labor costs, let alone the part itself, is probably above my range.

[98mustang]

Ok...... this is a forum.....correct...... i dont meen to sound mean or anything but you have asked a question in this post that has prob been asked about 25098435804385034850 times already. I know your new but this site is not hard to navigate. There are soooooooo many threads on here about CAI (cold air intakes). Next thing to teach you, the 190hp stock does not mean you are putting 190 horses to the road. The power doesnt make it to the road. Theres all kinds of figures but a 99+ V6 prob puts 160 to the wheels on a good day. Thats why AtlanticBlue99(AKA: AB, for future reference) says you will not see those numbers from that budget. Lets say you spent 4K for a supercharger, pretty much all your budget plus however much they charge you to put it on, i could put it on myself, however there is a reason your still asking about CAI and that reason is the reason why you cant put it on yourself. And thats ok you will learn thats why your here is to learn. But please look around b4 you ask a question that has prob already been asked considering there is like 96 pages of threads. I would go with full bolt ons first see what you think then if you have the $ go for it buy the big toys (powerpack/supercharger/turbo).

[dsavercool]

I did put the CAI on myself, I just didn't know your jargon yet and as a result had no idea what it stood for. I've used a few message boards in my day, and I use them to discuss distinct topics with other people. If I simply wanted to know how to install something, I'd check the manual. Thanks for the warm welcome though, didn't realize this was a gated community.

[GreenFaleen]

you will see another 50 from the power pak with a good tune. 230-250 with the power pak and full bolt ons and a good tune is probably realistic. Cars are expensive and fast cars are even more so get used to high prices and just mod when you can I have had my car 3 years and still don't have full bolt ons.

And 98 don't bash him on the question yeah it has been asked a lot but each setup could be different, different amounts of knowledge so fourth if he asked this same topic 4 times then we can yell but one question being answered is fine.

[98mustang]

I wasnt refering to the CAI install, i was refering to the supercharger, and i wasnt bashing you about not knowing what CAI stood for, i was simply stating that when you asked: "Does a CAI truly add any HP at all?" that has been answered multiple times and currently i think there are about 2 or 3 active threads about this exact topic. Basicly my point was to avoid multiple threads about CAI's just take a look b4 you post. Its not a gated community at all, we welcome questions but it gets old seeing constant new threads about CAI when it has been answerd in full many times b4. I didnt meen to offend you!

[v6Beast]

ok i was wondering what is full boltons. can you give me a list of what they are i only know of one right now CAI.

[GreenFaleen]

umm the second list in your first post that I gave you is pretty much full bolt ons and CAI may give 1-3 hp if your lucky. but it will help with throttle response and help teh car breathe better.

[232stang]

Originally Posted by dsavercool Originally Posted by AtlanticBlue99 you would be lucky to see 200 rwhp with those mods. full bolt ons will get you 200 with a good tune. 260 requires port work and a cam or a poweradder. Well then, being as I'm at 190 stock, spending 2,500 to go to 200 doesn't seem worth it at all. Does a CAI truly add any HP at all, because I have one on it now, but it's been so long that I can't remember what it was like driving it prior to putting it on. Personally, I'd like to turbo or super charge it, but that might be a little too much engine work, and the labor costs, let alone the part itself, is probably above my range.

AB said 200rwhp stock you have depending on the year, but im assuming 99-04, you have about 150-160rwhp. the 190hp you quoted is what the engine itself makes not what is actually put to the wheels. so in actuality you are getting around 50hp from all the bolt ons.

[dsavercool]

I'm just going to stick with an engine tuning and a new short throw shifter. What is funny now is that I have always been driving the car as somewhat of a commuter car. As in, not revving it up too high and being careful etc. I commute from Ann Arbor, MI to Detroit, MI, which is about 40 miles each way.
After the notion of getting a new car I started driving it a little more aggressively, (like I did 5 years ago when I first got it.) And I love how this thing roars, I know it's a v6, but 3.8L is still a big engine. That is what they put in a lot of SUVs. I like my CAI, even just for the whistle during acceleration.

I'm gonna play this by ear and see what the engine tune/computer upgrade and the short throw shifter costs.

[dsavercool]

Alright, well I've decided on Phase 1 of my car. I'm getting a T5 or T45 Herst short throw shifter put in, and the guy I'm working with on this said he has an MSD Ignition system that he checking on as to whether or not it will fit my car. The MSD Ignition system came into play when I mentioned a powerpak.

He wants 2,100 for the full engine tune, clutch replacement, and the short throw. The MSD Ignition system was supposedly 600 bucks.

What do you guys make of all of this?

[GreenFaleen]

your getting taken for a ride. No way you need a MSD ignition system for a long time. What kind of tune cause if your not on a dyno don't pay him to do it and get a x-cal2, What kind of clutch is he putting in if stock might be worth 300 including labor. and short throw if he includes the parts maybe 400 don't pay him over 800 dollars for that stuff
a dyno tune 250-300 bucks
short throw shifter 150 bucks maybe 100 install
if stock clutch 100 bucks 150 install
you don't need MSD

comes to about 700 bucks

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by dsavercool Alright, well I've decided on Phase 1 of my car. I'm getting a T5 or T45 Herst short throw shifter put in, and the guy I'm working with on this said he has an MSD Ignition system that he checking on as to whether or not it will fit my car. The MSD Ignition system came into play when I mentioned a powerpak. He wants 2,100 for the full engine tune, clutch replacement, and the short throw. The MSD Ignition system was supposedly 600 bucks. What do you guys make of all of this?

Short Throw Shifter = No hp
MSD = taken for a ride for 600$? You can do 9mm Plug wires, and a screamin demon' coil pack for 250$ - not that its gonna help any

If your gonna spend 2-2.5k you can find used vortech kits for v6's in that price range all day long.

[dsavercool]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen your getting taken for a ride. No way you need a MSD ignition system for a long time. What kind of tune cause if your not on a dyno don't pay him to do it and get a x-cal2, What kind of clutch is he putting in if stock might be worth 300 including labor. and short throw if he includes the parts maybe 400 don't pay him over 800 dollars for that stuff a dyno tune 250-300 bucks short throw shifter 150 bucks maybe 100 install if stock clutch 100 bucks 150 install you don't need MSD comes to about 700 bucks

Yeah, 2,100 is way too much, he is likely trying to make money off the parts. I dunno guys, I want to keep my baby, but I may just need to get something new. They priced my mustang at 2,500 for trade in value, which makes me feel like putting money into might not be smart. A ford dealer near me has a 2004 Mach 1 with 12,000 miles on it for I think about 25,000 or so. It was the owners or something. The only other car I've been looking at is a dreaded 'ricer' as I've seen labeled here. A Subaru Legacy GT or Spec.b, turbocharged/intercooled.

[GreenFaleen]

you can talk that 25,000 down probably. Mach ones are very nice cars. and Subaru's are nice as well but I would get a WRX or STI over the legacy GT.

KBB lists 03 mach 1 with 43,000 miles for 15k so you can probably get that one for 20-22