X- Cal 2

mustang1072 · March 21st, 2007, 02:32 PM

Ok guys i need your advice on what 3 tunes i should get for it.... i want the most performance and HP i can get out of it... i really dont care much about gas mileage!... and 2 b honest i dont kno much @ all about these kida chips! thanks again guys

HMUSN · March 21st, 2007, 02:35 PM

get the tuner not the chip.

send a list of your mods to your tuner.

get a track tune
get a race tune
get a street tune

mustang1072 · March 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM

ya my fault im gettin the tuner not the chip

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index...d=137&parent=0

thats what im getting... ok i hav... CAI, 65MM TB, TB spacer, exhuast, 4.10, Posi, plugs, wires, and am inches away from pulleys

mustang1072 · March 21st, 2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by HMUSN

get the tuner not the chip.

send a list of your mods to your tuner.

get a track tune
get a race tune
get a street tune

i am very stupid when it comes 2 these tuners... whats the difference? so is that all i hav to tell crazylegs is i want a track tune, race tune, and street tune?

HMUSN · March 21st, 2007, 03:10 PM

i dont know if he tunes or not

but the pre ordered tunes are called "canned tunes" and they are OK

but if you want the best tune go with either a dyno tune or get a wide band 02set up
and datalog off of that.

GreenFaleen · March 21st, 2007, 03:16 PM

Tell him you want a tune for the 1/4 mile a tune for WOT on a road course, and a normal everyday driving tune.

also what is this wide band o2 thing and how it work *sry to hijack*

HMUSN · March 21st, 2007, 03:24 PM

here is why you need a wide band if you plan on more modifications. In case you don’t know much about AF, Lean has higher AF numbers and less gas, and Rich has lower AF numbers and more gas. If you run too lean your motor will get extra hot and lead to issues like detonation which will burn holes into your pistons, blow head gaskets, grenade motors, etc. Running too rich will wash the oil off the piston rings and cause issues due to excess friction. Lean will get you more HP, but will be closer to the edge of detonation. Running rich will net less HP, but will be more tolerant of bad gas, hotter temps, etc (safer). Timing also plays a role in heat and detonation so it’s good to know that a lean mixture will handle less timing that a rich mixture due to the cooling effect of the extra gas. Higher octane is required for leaner / more timing tunes. Never ever run 87 octane in a highly modified vehicle, and never run 91 octane in a car with the stock tune for 87 or you will loose power and get worse gas mileage.

The stock O2 sensors are narrow band sensors that have the very good resolution around the stoichiometric AF of 14.64, but have very poor resolution in the range below 12. The Narrow band gauges are a waste of money, they do nothing as far as actual AF at WOT because they are not accurate at the desired ranges. They are designed to use about 90% of their output range centered directly around AF of 14.64, so you get excellent resolution between 14 and 15 which works great for part throttle driving, gas mileage, emissions, but is way too inaccurate for WOT ranges.
The wideband O2 sensors have a linear output range from about AF 9 to AF 18 so they give accurate results over the entire AF range.

Here is some general AF target ranges, but feel free to ask any questions you might have.
NA car 12.4-13.2
Blown Stang 11.5-12
Heavily blown 11.0-11.5

here are 2 links where you can get them:

https://shop.tricktuners.com/splashPage.hg (my tuner)
http://www.autocarparts.com/parts/PLX/

GreenFaleen · March 21st, 2007, 03:29 PM

thanks man. And how hard is the install?

HMUSN · March 21st, 2007, 03:39 PM

its not too hard to do.

read the thread.. instructions are in the posts

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...539#post748539

GreenFaleen · March 21st, 2007, 04:37 PM

awesome thanks again man.

mustang1072 · March 21st, 2007, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

Tell him you want a tune for the 1/4 mile a tune for WOT on a road course, and a normal everyday driving tune.

also what is this wide band o2 thing and how it work *sry to hijack*

Thanks GF your once again a big help!

GreenFaleen · March 21st, 2007, 05:47 PM

no problem

Murderjetz · March 21st, 2007, 07:16 PM

that tuner seems to be available for a 94...I thought GF said for a 94 I'd have to stick to the chip..?
and how is a tuner better than a chip?

ByPopularDemand · March 21st, 2007, 07:55 PM

Is there really any purpose of having three canned tunes, when you pay for two of them, wouldnt just taking the free canned tune work untill you could get a dyno tune

GreenFaleen · March 21st, 2007, 08:35 PM

canned tunes are cheaper.

And the tuners you can do more with and you don't have to re-flash them to get new tunes, but tuners aren't available for pre 96 cars you don't have ODB2 ports

Murderjetz · March 21st, 2007, 11:01 PM

but on that website you can choose 94 and 95 from the list....

mustang1072 · March 22nd, 2007, 09:15 PM

I just ordered it... WHOOT! crazylegs is awesome $350 w/ tunes shipped! thanks 4 tellin me bout him chris... and thanks 4 the tune suggestions GF

March 21st, 2007, 02:35 PM	#2
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	get the tuner not the chip. send a list of your mods to your tuner. get a track tune get a race tune get a street tune __________________

March 21st, 2007, 03:10 PM	#5
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	i dont know if he tunes or not but the pre ordered tunes are called "canned tunes" and they are OK but if you want the best tune go with either a dyno tune or get a wide band 02set up and datalog off of that. __________________

March 21st, 2007, 03:16 PM	#6
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	Tell him you want a tune for the 1/4 mile a tune for WOT on a road course, and a normal everyday driving tune. also what is this wide band o2 thing and how it work sry to hijack __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

March 21st, 2007, 03:24 PM	#7
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	here is why you need a wide band if you plan on more modifications. In case you don’t know much about AF, Lean has higher AF numbers and less gas, and Rich has lower AF numbers and more gas. If you run too lean your motor will get extra hot and lead to issues like detonation which will burn holes into your pistons, blow head gaskets, grenade motors, etc. Running too rich will wash the oil off the piston rings and cause issues due to excess friction. Lean will get you more HP, but will be closer to the edge of detonation. Running rich will net less HP, but will be more tolerant of bad gas, hotter temps, etc (safer). Timing also plays a role in heat and detonation so it’s good to know that a lean mixture will handle less timing that a rich mixture due to the cooling effect of the extra gas. Higher octane is required for leaner / more timing tunes. Never ever run 87 octane in a highly modified vehicle, and never run 91 octane in a car with the stock tune for 87 or you will loose power and get worse gas mileage. The stock O2 sensors are narrow band sensors that have the very good resolution around the stoichiometric AF of 14.64, but have very poor resolution in the range below 12. The Narrow band gauges are a waste of money, they do nothing as far as actual AF at WOT because they are not accurate at the desired ranges. They are designed to use about 90% of their output range centered directly around AF of 14.64, so you get excellent resolution between 14 and 15 which works great for part throttle driving, gas mileage, emissions, but is way too inaccurate for WOT ranges. The wideband O2 sensors have a linear output range from about AF 9 to AF 18 so they give accurate results over the entire AF range. Here is some general AF target ranges, but feel free to ask any questions you might have. NA car 12.4-13.2 Blown Stang 11.5-12 Heavily blown 11.0-11.5 here are 2 links where you can get them: https://shop.tricktuners.com/splashPage.hg (my tuner) http://www.autocarparts.com/parts/PLX/ __________________

March 21st, 2007, 03:29 PM	#8
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	thanks man. And how hard is the install? __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

March 21st, 2007, 03:39 PM	#9
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	its not too hard to do. read the thread.. instructions are in the posts http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...539#post748539 __________________

March 21st, 2007, 04:37 PM	#10
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	awesome thanks again man. __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

March 21st, 2007, 05:47 PM	#12
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	no problem __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

March 21st, 2007, 07:16 PM	#13
Murderjetz Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,003 iTrader: 0 reviews	that tuner seems to be available for a 94...I thought GF said for a 94 I'd have to stick to the chip..? and how is a tuner better than a chip? __________________ Listen to my music \| Visit my garage

March 21st, 2007, 07:55 PM	#14
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,670 iTrader: 0 reviews	Is there really any purpose of having three canned tunes, when you pay for two of them, wouldnt just taking the free canned tune work untill you could get a dyno tune __________________ 2000 V6 vert Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley(r.i.p), SCT tune, 8.8 rear and 4.10 gears.

March 21st, 2007, 08:35 PM	#15
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	canned tunes are cheaper. And the tuners you can do more with and you don't have to re-flash them to get new tunes, but tuners aren't available for pre 96 cars you don't have ODB2 ports __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

March 21st, 2007, 11:01 PM	#16
Murderjetz Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,003 iTrader: 0 reviews	but on that website you can choose 94 and 95 from the list.... __________________ Listen to my music \| Visit my garage

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