[theyanks904]

ok ill give justin a call to i/c i need to get the windstar intake right ?

yes it is a v-1 and compression is 8.1 i lowered it

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by theyanks904 ok ill give justin a call to i/c i need to get the windser intake right ?

Not needed, but it helps.

[theyanks904]

would you happen to have any pics one i/c ? i think it would be kinda a pain to do with out the other intake .... or if you no wjat parts i would need to order

thanks again guys 4 the help

[JTs03v6]

Yeah, go to 3.8mustang.com and look up "skatefreak" and "jpk4l3", both of their setups had intercooled vortechs. You'll need to be retuned if you intercool it because you'll need to switch from draw through to blow through.

Another option would be to check out the andersonfordmotorsport mr freeze kit. It's a mechanical methanol injection setup. If I were non intercooled, I'd run it.

btw...I made 300/308 stock with 10psi on a very conserative tune. I'd say your tune is off pretty bad to make what you did with all those mods. Or you have some other mechanical issue.

Also, I made 370/372 with 13psi and a cam swap on stock heads and intakes, and my cam is smaller than the one your running.

I'd bet anything your tune is off.

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 Yeah, go to 3.8mustang.com and look up "skatefreak" and "jpk4l3", both of their setups had intercooled vortechs. You'll need to be retuned if you intercool it because you'll need to switch from draw through to blow through. Another option would be to check out the andersonfordmotorsport mr freeze kit. It's a mechanical methanol injection setup. If I were non intercooled, I'd run it. btw...I made 300/308 stock with 10psi on a very conserative tune. I'd say your tune is off pretty bad to make what you did with all those mods. Or you have some other mechanical issue. Also, I made 370/372 with 13psi and a cam swap on stock heads and intakes, and my cam is smaller than the one your running. I'd bet anything your tune is off.

Your comparing apples to oranges, but we can agree that something is wrong either mechanically or with the tune. Also depends how many times the car was tuned on the dyno and how much cool down was allowed. When we first started tuning my car my first few runs made the most power, after that it was all down hill due to iat temps. The last tune I left with was down almost 20hp from my first 3 tunes, BUT they told me to come back the next day and with the car ambient it jumped 35hp+ from the other tune, and after we let it cool for almost 2 hours with ice on the blower another 25hp was found. Once you heat up a vortech its down hill ffrom there unfortunately.

IMO, the car needs more boost, and prob a bit more timing, and lean out the a/f just a bit.

Do you know if the lower intake still has IMRC's? Pics of the engine bay would be nice.

[theyanks904]

IMRC's are deleted i can get you a pic of the engine bay

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by theyanks904 IMRC's are deleted i can get you a pic of the engine bay

go for it.

[Tang Stang]

Honestly I think the two things that are killing your E.T.'s the most (from the info provided thus far) is the low CR and the stock TC. I wish you had your timeslip so we could see the short times. With the stock stall and the power curve that your dyno sheet shows, the 60' times were probably pretty terrible. I agree with ESG on the suggestions of more boost and leaner A/F, and I'd add a higher stall TC to that as well.

[Mr. Red Pony]

Stock stall is good for.. Stock. Anything more and it's a good paperweight.

[zinsavage123]

my old 96 v6 auto ran a 16.2 with no launch!!!!! just smashing the gas pedal at the light. It had cai,udpulley,tune,4.10's,alum driveshaft and just a catback exhaust. Also this was the good ol shitty singleport aswell. So I can tell you for a fact somethings wrong with your car

[ESG-642T]

there are plenty stock stall cars that've done better than 15s with 300hp!

[2000stallion]

as long as were talking about stalls, how exactly do they work?

[Tang Stang]

Originally Posted by ESG-642T there are plenty stock stall cars that've done better than 15s with 300hp!

Agreed. However, with the power curve his dyno graph shows, he's not making much hp/tq until at least 4K. With a stock stall and that power curve, I'm sure the 60' times are suffering. The chosen CR really should have been closer to 9:1 since we're working with a centrifugal and not a PD SC here.