setting tdc

02edge · March 28th, 2011, 06:32 PM

im doing my cam synchro and cant find the tdc marks whats the best way to get it set to it

GreenMustang00 · March 28th, 2011, 09:56 PM

Take the number one cylinder spark plug out and look in while a buddy turns the crank... Works on most cars

mustangmike! · March 29th, 2011, 01:01 AM

that works, some use a compression gauge, take your riming cover off and line the dots up. A few ways of doing it.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 01:04 AM

I got it set but need help with the cam synchro now and nobodys been able to give me any ideas

stephen · March 29th, 2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by 02edge

I got it set but need help with the cam synchro now and nobodys been able to give me any ideas

There's a tool to set that. It's a lot like installing a distributor.

stephen · March 29th, 2011, 08:36 AM

This is the tool. It can be obtained for less than this.

http://www.restockit.com/otc-ford-cam-sensor-sync-tool-(otc6470).html?source=googlepla&utm_source=googlep la&utm_medium=affiliateprogram&adtype=pla&kw={keyw ord}&gclid=CLD9mqzk86cCFQoTbAod3iz1aQ

stephen · March 29th, 2011, 08:38 AM

These are the specs OTC6470

OTC Ford Cam Sensor Sync Tool

Product Description:
DETAILS:

Features and Benefits:
Same as Ford tool 303-630
Application: 1999-2002 Explorer 5.0L V8; 1999-2004 Mustang 3.8L V6; 1999-2003 Windstar 3.8L V6; 1999-2004 Mountaineer 5.0L V8.

UPC: 731413037535

MANUFACTURER NAME: OTC
ITEM #: OTC6470

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 09:06 AM

I know it came with that but for some reason I cant get it to go all the way back in and i dont wanna force it but as long as the engine is at #1 tdc and the thing that spins is centered on the window its correct?has nobody done this to there motor ever im suprised I havent gotten more responses

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 09:25 AM

If you're starting to mesh the synchro gear with the gear on the cam and it won't drop all the way in, the oil pump is likely slightly out of phase with the oil pump driveshaft. Did you rotate the crank to TDC without the old cam synchro/oil pump driveshaft in place? You can try rotating the crank back and forth slightly to get the synchro/oil pump driveshaft to drop in place. If all else fails, you can pull the oil pump off the engine, stab the synchro, then reinstall the oil pump.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 09:40 AM

yeah i did by accident being dumb so I have to pull of the oil pump now?

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 09:48 AM

You have the oil pump driveshaft snapped into the new cam synchro, right? It should have come out with the old synchro, and you would have swapped it over to the new one. If so, try what I said above. With the synchro/driveshaft assembly sitting in the hole (as far as it will currently go), rotate the crank back and forth a little to see if you can get the driveshaft to line up with the pump and drop into place. If that doesn't work, then yes, you'll need to pull the oil pump, install the synchro/driveshaft, then reinstall the oil pump.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 09:55 AM

yes the old shaft is on the new pump but say i rotate it a little and it falls in wont it not be at tdc anymore

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 09:55 AM

how hard is changing the pump too

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 09:56 AM

If the synchro gear is already meshing with the cam gear, it will rotate as you turn the crank (it'll still be in sync). If you're uncertain, rotate the engine until the synchro drops in, then reset to TDC with the synchro in place, pull the synchro, and reinstall it with the tool.

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 09:57 AM

The oil pump is external, so it's pretty simple to pull/reinstall.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 09:59 AM

can you not just pull the shaft install it in the hole and than drop in the synchro

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by 02edge

can you not just pull the shaft install it in the hole and than drop in the synchro

Don't drop the oil pump driveshaft down the hole. It'll be nearly impossible to get it lined up with the synchro that way. Try the procedure I laid out for you above, and let us know how it goes.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 10:21 AM

I tried yesterday but the gear sits just below the opening and spins with the motor but it supposed to be a few more inches down I dont get it

Tang Stang · March 29th, 2011, 10:29 AM

Are you pushing the synchro in at all while you're rotating the crank? It won't just fall into place, it will take a little push to get it seated.

02edge · March 29th, 2011, 10:31 AM

yeah just didnt wanna mess anything up ill get a friend and push harder today

March 28th, 2011, 09:56 PM	#2
GreenMustang00 1 Wheel Peel 2000 Mustang 393w 2001 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,583 iTrader: 4 reviews	Take the number one cylinder spark plug out and look in while a buddy turns the crank... Works on most cars __________________ 2000 393w Swapped Vert 2001 GT Vert 2002 Six Banger

March 29th, 2011, 01:01 AM	#3
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	that works, some use a compression gauge, take your riming cover off and line the dots up. A few ways of doing it. __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

March 29th, 2011, 09:25 AM	#9
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	If you're starting to mesh the synchro gear with the gear on the cam and it won't drop all the way in, the oil pump is likely slightly out of phase with the oil pump driveshaft. Did you rotate the crank to TDC without the old cam synchro/oil pump driveshaft in place? You can try rotating the crank back and forth slightly to get the synchro/oil pump driveshaft to drop in place. If all else fails, you can pull the oil pump off the engine, stab the synchro, then reinstall the oil pump. __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

March 29th, 2011, 09:48 AM	#11
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	You have the oil pump driveshaft snapped into the new cam synchro, right? It should have come out with the old synchro, and you would have swapped it over to the new one. If so, try what I said above. With the synchro/driveshaft assembly sitting in the hole (as far as it will currently go), rotate the crank back and forth a little to see if you can get the driveshaft to line up with the pump and drop into place. If that doesn't work, then yes, you'll need to pull the oil pump, install the synchro/driveshaft, then reinstall the oil pump. __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

March 29th, 2011, 09:56 AM	#14
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	If the synchro gear is already meshing with the cam gear, it will rotate as you turn the crank (it'll still be in sync). If you're uncertain, rotate the engine until the synchro drops in, then reset to TDC with the synchro in place, pull the synchro, and reinstall it with the tool. __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

March 28th, 2011, 06:32 PM	#1
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	setting tdc im doing my cam synchro and cant find the tdc marks whats the best way to get it set to it

March 29th, 2011, 01:04 AM	#4
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	I got it set but need help with the cam synchro now and nobodys been able to give me any ideas

March 29th, 2011, 08:36 AM	#6
stephen Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,262 iTrader: 0 reviews	This is the tool. It can be obtained for less than this. http://www.restockit.com/otc-ford-cam-sensor-sync-tool-(otc6470).html?source=googlepla&utm_source=googlep la&utm_medium=affiliateprogram&adtype=pla&kw={keyw ord}&gclid=CLD9mqzk86cCFQoTbAod3iz1aQ

March 29th, 2011, 08:38 AM	#7
stephen Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,262 iTrader: 0 reviews	These are the specs OTC6470 OTC Ford Cam Sensor Sync Tool Product Description: DETAILS: Features and Benefits: Same as Ford tool 303-630 Application: 1999-2002 Explorer 5.0L V8; 1999-2004 Mustang 3.8L V6; 1999-2003 Windstar 3.8L V6; 1999-2004 Mountaineer 5.0L V8. UPC: 731413037535 MANUFACTURER NAME: OTC ITEM #: OTC6470

March 29th, 2011, 09:06 AM	#8
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	I know it came with that but for some reason I cant get it to go all the way back in and i dont wanna force it but as long as the engine is at #1 tdc and the thing that spins is centered on the window its correct?has nobody done this to there motor ever im suprised I havent gotten more responses

March 29th, 2011, 09:40 AM	#10
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah i did by accident being dumb so I have to pull of the oil pump now?

March 29th, 2011, 09:55 AM	#12
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	yes the old shaft is on the new pump but say i rotate it a little and it falls in wont it not be at tdc anymore

March 29th, 2011, 09:57 AM	#15
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	The oil pump is external, so it's pretty simple to pull/reinstall. __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

March 29th, 2011, 09:59 AM	#16
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	can you not just pull the shaft install it in the hole and than drop in the synchro

March 29th, 2011, 10:21 AM	#18
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	I tried yesterday but the gear sits just below the opening and spins with the motor but it supposed to be a few more inches down I dont get it

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March 29th, 2011, 10:29 AM	#19
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	Are you pushing the synchro in at all while you're rotating the crank? It won't just fall into place, it will take a little push to get it seated. __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

March 29th, 2011, 10:31 AM	#20
02edge Enthusiast 2000 m112'd 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: east hampton ny Posts: 637 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah just didnt wanna mess anything up ill get a friend and push harder today

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