idiot A/C statement

JASonic · May 3rd, 2007, 11:03 PM

Theres an idiot I work with that Im constantly punching in the kidneys for fun. Anyway, he said that taking and routing your A/C to your air intake would make your car faster... is this guy stupid or is there validity to this statement? If not, I'm adding a daily shot to the throat as well..

ESG-642T · May 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM

Sure, if you could get the colder air blowing into your intake....

uhm

you could

posibilly get a 1-5hp gain from it....

I guess

Maybe

Then again it would be better to just delete your a/c before you tried that

GreenFaleen · May 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM

it seems umm well really hard, and pointless. I mean it could in essence cause cooler temps but how you would actually get routed to your intake seems like way to much work

JASonic · May 3rd, 2007, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

it seems umm well really hard, and pointless. I mean it could in essence cause cooler temps but how you would actually get routed to your intake seems like way to much work

Thats what I was thinking too. Looks like I get to crack him in his adams apple tomorrow.

seriously though, when you turn on your AC, doesnt it rob a bunch of power from your motor? Even if you could get a gain from it, wouldnt the power loss from running the compressor just negate it? This is nuts anyways and probably not worth much thought except for entertainmnet.

Garman91 · May 3rd, 2007, 11:17 PM

It's a law of physics, the amount of energy required to compress the refrigerant can only equal the energy gained by the reduced air intake temperature. That is, of course, neglecting friction in some perfect universe. In other words - it doesn't work. If it did, race cars would do it...

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:19 AM

... i see it as more of a super charger puttin out a psi? that might be a fun project... just like dude i got a super charger... wanna see? and i can turn it on and off... watch

WLJohnson05 · May 4th, 2007, 12:23 AM

it wouldnt work...when u run the ac or heat it slows u down so it would be 0 gain

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:24 AM

but still a home made super charger how fuckin awesome!!

WLJohnson05 · May 4th, 2007, 12:25 AM

if it worked hell yea, but also if it workd it would already happen

ByPopularDemand · May 4th, 2007, 12:26 AM

Speaking of ac deleting how much weight would I save

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:29 AM

its not so much weight but rotating mass... ya know? you are removing a lot of restriction on the crank... and if you completly gutted the A/C parts maybe 100 pounds ish?

it is possible to just re route the belt so its shorter with out the A.C and then re route it in winter for heat

ByPopularDemand · May 4th, 2007, 12:34 AM

How would the rerouting work

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:40 AM

just get a shorter belt... and skip the A/C ... let me see if i can make a pic for you

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:45 AM

well shit i went and looked at mine... i personally would need to get an A.C delet kit... which ends up being a dumby pulley that spins with minimal friction and goes in the current place of the pulley right now... im not sure on yalls

tomzac · May 4th, 2007, 12:48 AM

The AC compressor works opposite of a supercharger compressor.

AC = low volume, high pressure
SC = high volume, low pressure

As for cooling the air intake - SVT experimented with a Lightning setup that would use an ac system to cool the coolant in the intercooler system. If I remember right, they proved a 40-50 hp gain when using this system along with increasing spark.

ByPopularDemand · May 4th, 2007, 12:51 AM

Hmm smaller belt, mine is already smaller from gettin the ud pulley

Onemanzu · May 4th, 2007, 12:51 AM

coolant or air? i could see that working on a intercooler but not on a radiator... cuz then everyone would run an open thermo... which is dumb don't anyone do that.... but still lil confizzled on that

tomzac · May 4th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Onemanzu

coolant or air? i could see that working on a intercooler but not on a radiator... cuz then everyone would run an open thermo... which is dumb don't anyone do that.... but still lil confizzled on that

The SVT/Lightning system:

Coolant. The system chilled a special reservoir that was before the intercooler. So on damand the chilled coolant would feed into the intercooler and back into the system. When this happened the ac would shut down as to not put a drag on the motor. The system was great for 1/4 mile runs or quick sprints. But after words would need a recovery time to chill the reservior coolant back down.

Avaric3 · May 4th, 2007, 11:19 AM

how much would it cost to bring my car to ashop and have the a/c removed including the pulley part and the whole system? if it takes off 100lbs, i wanna do that for sure cuz i neva use it anyways

Juggalo_X · May 4th, 2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by tomzac

The AC compressor works opposite of a supercharger compressor.

AC = low volume, high pressure
SC = high volume, low pressure

As for cooling the air intake - SVT experimented with a Lightning setup that would use an ac system to cool the coolant in the intercooler system. If I remember right, they proved a 40-50 hp gain when using this system along with increasing spark.

you are 1000% correct sir i have worked on a lightning with the a/c running to the intake.

May 3rd, 2007, 11:03 PM	#1
JASonic The George Forman of Keepers Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,406 iTrader: 20 reviews	idiot A/C statement Theres an idiot I work with that Im constantly punching in the kidneys for fun. Anyway, he said that taking and routing your A/C to your air intake would make your car faster... is this guy stupid or is there validity to this statement? If not, I'm adding a daily shot to the throat as well..

May 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM	#2
ESG-642T [8MINUS2] 2002, Ford, v6 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 12,207 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sure, if you could get the colder air blowing into your intake.... uhm you could posibilly get a 1-5hp gain from it.... I guess Maybe Then again it would be better to just delete your a/c before you tried that __________________ Hi, You can call me Kyle

May 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM	#3
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,906 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	it seems umm well really hard, and pointless. I mean it could in essence cause cooler temps but how you would actually get routed to your intake seems like way to much work __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

May 3rd, 2007, 11:17 PM	#5
Garman91 Regular 02 Mustang V6 13.605 @ 101.60 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brandon, FL Posts: 337 iTrader: 6 reviews	It's a law of physics, the amount of energy required to compress the refrigerant can only equal the energy gained by the reduced air intake temperature. That is, of course, neglecting friction in some perfect universe. In other words - it doesn't work. If it did, race cars would do it... __________________ BBK Intake, BBK 70MM Throttle Body w/ Port Matched Upper Intake, BBK Shorty Headers, Magnaflow Exhaust, GT Tips, Eibach Sportline Springs, EGR Delete, Aluminum DS, 7.5 T-Lok w/ 3.73's, Centerforce Clutch, ZEX 75 Shot, Sniper Tuned

May 4th, 2007, 12:19 AM	#6
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Looking for free hand jobs in poland springs nebraska... silly gooses Posts: 12,514 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	... i see it as more of a super charger puttin out a psi? that might be a fun project... just like dude i got a super charger... wanna see? and i can turn it on and off... watch __________________ My Foz

May 4th, 2007, 12:23 AM	#7
WLJohnson05 MM's Database Error 2004 Mustang V6 322.8 rwhp Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: VA Posts: 13,106 iTrader: 8 reviews	it wouldnt work...when u run the ac or heat it slows u down so it would be 0 gain __________________ I'm trying to get rid of this stuff, feel free to make me an offer!: Kenwood Head Unit $155 SCT Mass Air Flow Sensor $200 Tial Wastegate Springs $40 (10psi and 3.6psi)

May 4th, 2007, 12:24 AM	#8
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Looking for free hand jobs in poland springs nebraska... silly gooses Posts: 12,514 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	but still a home made super charger how fuckin awesome!! __________________ My Foz

May 4th, 2007, 12:25 AM	#9
WLJohnson05 MM's Database Error 2004 Mustang V6 322.8 rwhp Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: VA Posts: 13,106 iTrader: 8 reviews	if it worked hell yea, but also if it workd it would already happen __________________ I'm trying to get rid of this stuff, feel free to make me an offer!: Kenwood Head Unit $155 SCT Mass Air Flow Sensor $200 Tial Wastegate Springs $40 (10psi and 3.6psi)

May 4th, 2007, 12:26 AM	#10
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,670 iTrader: 0 reviews	Speaking of ac deleting how much weight would I save __________________ 2000 V6 vert Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley(r.i.p), SCT tune, 8.8 rear and 4.10 gears.

May 4th, 2007, 12:29 AM	#11
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Looking for free hand jobs in poland springs nebraska... silly gooses Posts: 12,514 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	its not so much weight but rotating mass... ya know? you are removing a lot of restriction on the crank... and if you completly gutted the A/C parts maybe 100 pounds ish? it is possible to just re route the belt so its shorter with out the A.C and then re route it in winter for heat __________________ My Foz

May 4th, 2007, 12:34 AM	#12
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,670 iTrader: 0 reviews	How would the rerouting work __________________ 2000 V6 vert Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley(r.i.p), SCT tune, 8.8 rear and 4.10 gears.

May 4th, 2007, 12:40 AM	#13
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Looking for free hand jobs in poland springs nebraska... silly gooses Posts: 12,514 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	just get a shorter belt... and skip the A/C ... let me see if i can make a pic for you __________________ My Foz

May 4th, 2007, 12:45 AM	#14
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Looking for free hand jobs in poland springs nebraska... silly gooses Posts: 12,514 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	well shit i went and looked at mine... i personally would need to get an A.C delet kit... which ends up being a dumby pulley that spins with minimal friction and goes in the current place of the pulley right now... im not sure on yalls __________________ My Foz

May 4th, 2007, 12:48 AM	#15
tomzac Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 427 iTrader: 0 reviews	The AC compressor works opposite of a supercharger compressor. AC = low volume, high pressure SC = high volume, low pressure As for cooling the air intake - SVT experimented with a Lightning setup that would use an ac system to cool the coolant in the intercooler system. If I remember right, they proved a 40-50 hp gain when using this system along with increasing spark. __________________ 2002 Summer Beater

May 4th, 2007, 12:51 AM	#16
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,670 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hmm smaller belt, mine is already smaller from gettin the ud pulley __________________ 2000 V6 vert Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley(r.i.p), SCT tune, 8.8 rear and 4.10 gears.

May 4th, 2007, 11:19 AM	#19
Avaric3 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Ford Focus slow as fuck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: M-Pan, NJ Posts: 2,561 iTrader: 4 reviews	how much would it cost to bring my car to ashop and have the a/c removed including the pulley part and the whole system? if it takes off 100lbs, i wanna do that for sure cuz i neva use it anyways __________________ 99 V6 Mustang-sold 02 Ford Focus-sold 98 Camaro Z/28-lid, catback

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