[Nukka]

read up all you naysayers, and try to focus on the first of 2 graphs at the bottom of the page. hmmm seemed like that K&N fipk picked up 8 hp to the wheels, more than k&n claimed.

V6 Mustang Upgrades with ZEX Nitrous & K&N - Stang TV Forums

[mcqueen]

Please avoid provocative titles unless you want a flame fest (in which case I'll simply lock the thread and leave it at that because you were asking for it).

As for the topic at hand, I'm going to bet they ran the advanced timing as well as the CAI together. Show me a dyno of just the CAI, no addition of nitrous and advanced timing, then I'll believe it. If K&N was that awesome, I would have simply dropped a K&N filter into my stock intake because it pulls air from the exact same place.

[SON1C]

ill do a cai before and after dyno if someone sends me a cai

[SON1C]

ill even drive up to american muscle hq if they'd pay expenses, chris from am mentioned something like this before.

[ESG-642T]

Stupidity wins again lol...


...wait I mean loses!

[Womkeith]

K&N < Windstar
$230 > $365

[mustangmike!]

MustangGeek and him should be real good friends

[JTs03v6]

So if I run 3 KnN's I'll make 24 more hp? Sweet

[Jetflo]

Much as I am a fan of K&N filters, I gotta say the dyno results are not convincing. In the first runs the car is hitting about 13.2 AFR at WOT maybe a bit higher.

In the second run the AFR is set much lower which could only be the result of changes to the tune.

From experience, 13.2 AFR was not ideal in my car. Dropping to 13 AFR (according to AEM UEGO placed before the cats on driver's side) increased HP by as much as what is shown in this "test".

I do believe K&N filters flow better than paper ones but this experiment was poorly designed most likely for marketing purposes.

As far as the FIPK system goes, I do not feel this is a good solution for controlling intake temperatures. The best place to get cold air is from the fender. K&N's "heat baffle" may look impressive but it cannot seal out engine heat in that location.

A cold air intake helps off the line, especially in heavy traffic when underhood temps get really high. In real world driving, it pays to get the air from the fender.

On a dyno with sufficient cool down time, there would be no evidence of weakness in intake air temperature control of the FIPK. Once you get stuck in rush hour, the FIPK might actually make less power than the stock intake.

I recommend an in fender CAI and then get the car tuned with a wideband before the cats. You'll see more than 8hp over the stock tune which appears to me to be too lean at WOT.

Thanks!

[Nukka]

Originally Posted by mcqueen Please avoid provocative titles unless you want a flame fest (in which case I'll simply lock the thread and leave it at that because you were asking for it). As for the topic at hand, I'm going to bet they ran the advanced timing as well as the CAI together. Show me a dyno of just the CAI, no addition of nitrous and advanced timing, then I'll believe it. If K&N was that awesome, I would have simply dropped a K&N filter into my stock intake because it pulls air from the exact same place.

that what the first graphs show, if you read the orange lines underneath its says its the dyno pull with the bottle off and just the cai. and look there shouldnt be any argument at all, this is a fully independent test, so just accept the facts, i did come in a little hot with the title..

[qwiksilvermustang]

Originally Posted by Jetflo Much as I am a fan of K&N filters, I gotta say the dyno results are not convincing. In the first runs the car is hitting about 13.2 AFR at WOT maybe a bit higher. In the second run the AFR is set much lower which could only be the result of changes to the tune. From experience, 13.2 AFR was not ideal in my car. Dropping to 13 AFR (according to AEM UEGO placed before the cats on driver's side) increased HP by as much as what is shown in this "test". I do believe K&N filters flow better than paper ones but this experiment was poorly designed most likely for marketing purposes. I recommend an in fender CAI and then get the car tuned with a wideband before the cats. You'll see more than 8hp over the stock tune which appears to me to be too lean at WOT. Thanks!

I agree, common sense tells you that increasing airflow into the engine will cause a tendency to lean out, not richen up...We've all seen that dyno before this was posted.. not impressed... just by dropping the operating temperature 10-15* between dyno pulls has shown to increase horsepower by up to 2-5%... meaning that unless both pulls are shown being pulled at a stanard op temperature of 195* the dyno results are useless... to easy to allow the engine to cool between the run with the install and make the pull at 175* and see this same gain.

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by JTs03v6 So if I run 3 KnN's I'll make 24 more hp? Sweet

I'm gonna run 9, for an addition of 72 rwhp!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Nukka that what the first graphs show, if you read the orange lines underneath its says its the dyno pull with the bottle off and just the cai. and look there shouldnt be any argument at all, this is a fully independent test, so just accept the facts, i did come in a little hot with the title..

Its not independent, you realize K&N is a sponsor of that site right?? Just accept the facts and quit trying to justify what you wasted money on!

[Nukka]

aight man im not trying to justify anythin, just showin info if you guys dont want to believe it than alright, if you believe that they went though all this and Photoshopped the graphs whatever.. jeez its like arguing with the flat-earth society

[mustangmike!]

i lost my virginity when i was 15 ?

[Nukka]

Originally Posted by mustangmike! i lost my virginity when i was 15 ?

lol

[ESG-642T]

Originally Posted by Nukka aight man im not trying to justify anythin, just showin info if you guys dont want to believe it than alright, if you believe that they went though all this and Photoshopped the graphs whatever.. jeez its like arguing with the flat-earth society

Who said photo shopped, have you ever been to a dyno?? You can do tons of things to "alter" results.

[Nukka]

Originally Posted by ESG-642T Who said photo shopped, have you ever been to a dyno?? You can do tons of things to "alter" results.

dude seriously, pretty sure thats not the case, even american muscle has all those videos of dyno results of their products guess i cant believe them either.

[southfour!]

I think that the bigger issue is that with a CAI, it pretty much has to come off for any type of modding other than a NA build with a cut n weld upper.

I dont see the point of buying one now (yes i bought one first too) for how little they gain, even if it is 8hp.

Now with the windstar you get around 8 hp or so and it has potential for boost, plus it looks a lot better.

[Nukka]

Originally Posted by southfour I think that the bigger issue is that with a CAI, it pretty much has to come off for any type of modding other than a NA build with a cut n weld upper. I dont see the point of buying one now (yes i bought one first too) for how little they gain, even if it is 8hp. Now with the windstar you get around 8 hp or so and it has potential for boost, plus it looks a lot better.

will agree on that, the windstar does look sweet, hell even the 98 v6 manifold looks better than new edges

[6ER THEN I 8ER!]

Originally Posted by ESG-642T Who said photo shopped, have you ever been to a dyno?? You can do tons of things to "alter" results.

this...if a company can bump up the timing or do anything else to help their product show a couple extra ponies they will..thats the name of the game...however in the end a K&N is just a UPR intake with a sticker change