[4U2C]

So I have my stock air intake eon my stang but I have a KN filter that I would like to keep in it.

I would like to buy one of those CAI off eBay but most of them come with the air filter.

So my question is does anyone know of anyone that sells those CAI with a air filter, I figure it will be a little cheaper that way..

and also if I do choose to buy one those CAI off EBAY can i use my KN filter with it? Will it fit correctly?

[MRKsD3]

I'd recommend just using the filter that comes with the kit. Just because it's K&N doesn't mean it's gonna give you better performance... These CAIs doesn't really do a lot for our cars...

About using your K&N filter with the kit... I doubt it'll work... You'd need a filter that would actually clamp-on to pipe... Something that looks like this:

[mcqueen]

It depends on the filter. If there's something on it that will attach to the CAI (like the black piece on the filter in Mark's pic) then you can use it. If there's nothing there then you'll need to fab something up or buy a new K&N filter with the proper fitting to use it with the CAI. But that would be a waste of money because I don't believe K&N is worth the money at all.

[6ER THEN I 8ER!]

k&n is an overrated filter...at least on our cars..just use the filter that comes with your new ebay kit...

[4U2C]

I dont think KN is overrated but they are overpriced. They last a lifetime vs the paper cones and I do feel a performance difference as well when i use them. better throttle response

[6ER THEN I 8ER!]

Originally Posted by 4U2C I dont think KN is overrated but they are overpriced. They last a lifetime vs the paper cones and I do feel a performance difference as well when i use them. better throttle response

lol you and Nukka should start a fan club...but seriously a cotton fiber filter is just that...a cotton fiber filter...K&N, BBK, UPR, AM, AEM, AirRaid, etc etc...K&N is over-rated when they all give the same throtte response

[4U2C]

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER lol you and Nukka should start a fan club...but seriously a cotton fiber filter is just that...a cotton fiber filter...K&N, BBK, UPR, AM, AEM, AirRaid, etc etc...K&N is over-rated when they all give the same throtte response

LOL

All the brands you mention cost just as much as KN or more. So how is KN overated? I search airraid for my mustang and the filter alone $70 which is way more the KN.

So how exactly is KN overated and all the other companies u mentioned above is just as expensive or more...?? Actally all the brands you mentioned above is more expensive then KN, so thats why i ask why do you think its overated? I dont see any logic in that statement.

Cheap cone paper filters cost about $20-$25. A Kn filter made of better products and last a LIFETIME cost about $40-$50 for my car.. I would rather pay the higher to have a filter that last a lifetime and made of better products such as cotton fiber

Also KN was the first company to have pataint to this types of filters. After their patent was up more companies starting copying the ideal

LOL so please tell me how is it overated???? Just the fact alone it last a lifetime justify the double price...I dont see how your saying its overrated. Now if you can find me a cotton fiber cone filter that last a lifetine for $5-$25 you have my vote

K&N Air Filter Facts You Should Know

[NFChaos2003]

Originally Posted by 4U2C LOL All the brands you mention cost just as much as KN or more. So how is KN overated? I search airraid for my mustang and the filter alone $70 which is way more the KN. So how exactly is KN overated and all the other companies u mentioned above is just as expensive or more...?? Actally all the brands you mentioned above is more expensive then KN, so thats why i ask why do you think its overated? I dont see any logic in that statement. Cheap cone paper filters cost about $20-$25. A Kn filter made of better products and last a LIFETIME cost about $40-$50 for my car.. I would rather pay the higher to have a filter that last a lifetime and made of better products such as cotton fiber Also KN was the first company to have pataint to this types of filters. After their patent was up more companies starting copying the ideal LOL so please tell me how is it overated???? Just the fact alone it last a lifetime justify the double price...I dont see how your saying its overrated. Now if you can find me a cotton fiber cone filter that last a lifetine for $5-$25 you have my vote K&N Air Filter Facts You Should Know

[Nukka]

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER lol you and Nukka should start a fan club...but seriously a cotton fiber filter is just that...a cotton fiber filter...K&N, BBK, UPR, AM, AEM, AirRaid, etc etc...K&N is over-rated when they all give the same throtte response

there not quite the same, even jay leno did a segment on his little garage show talking about the diff between them and regular filters, but hey you probably know more than him right?

[mcqueen]

Don't go taking shots at each other guys. Read my sticky. Got a problem with each other, take it to the BB.


And yes, I'm just nipping this in the bud before anything starts.

[WLJohnson05]

Also to settle this...The only thing that will make any difference in our cars is that the K&N, or any reusable filter, is able to be cleaned and reused. Performance wise, a paper filter vs. a cotton filter will make absolutely no difference.

[walt1120]

i have a spectre filter. ive heard the filters with the little inverted filter cone at the top provide the most flow since it has the most surface area of filter.





i think all that matters is bigger filter = more airflow no matter if its paper, cotton, foam etc. cone > panel. Seriously the brand doesn't matter. K&N is just the premier brand so everyone beats their meat to them because they think their the best.

For me the hardest decision was red or blue

[4U2C]

Originally Posted by WLJohnson05 Also to settle this...The only thing that will make any difference in our cars is that the K&N, or any reusable filter, is able to be cleaned and reused. Performance wise, a paper filter vs. a cotton filter will make absolutely no difference.

paper vs cotton fiber does make a difference and I know this for a fact. it has been tested over and over again. why do you think GM uses them now?

And also whenever i put a cotton fiber filter on my car I notice a big difference such as throttle response and better mpg. And that was with the last 3 cars I have had.

The KN filter/cotton filters picks up much much more crap as well and provides better airflow.

This has been tested over and over again by engineers and they have confirmed this.

[4U2C]

Originally Posted by walt1120 i have a spectre filter. ive heard the filters with the little inverted filter cone at the top provide the most flow since it has the most surface area of filter. i think all that matters is bigger filter = more airflow no matter if its paper, cotton, foam etc. cone > panel. Seriously the brand doesn't matter. K&N is just the premier brand so everyone beats their meat to them because they think their the best. For me the hardest decision was red or blue

I have that same filter in my 2nd car monte which I took a pic of. Notice how it is rusted, its dirty and dry. Yea it did make a big difference when I first bought it but now after a few months its not as good. That filter which I used with my CAi in my chevy monte carlo made a difference. Better MPG and throttle response and those are cotton fiber, they just dont last as long
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This is my opinion even though its a known fact because engineers have even tested this and even that TV show HOT ROD, cotton fiber filters such as KN and the ones above does make a difference.

And if anyone thinks differently then show the proof.

[mcqueen]

The one thing I don't like about K&N filters is that you're supposed to oil them. And you know that oil gets pulled into the engine. After pulling off my upper and lower intake and seeing how much oil is caked up in the intakes and heads, there's no way I'd want more oil getting stuck in there. If I end up being able to fix my engine I can assure you that I'll be deleting the PCV and EGR.

[4U2C]

Originally Posted by mcqueen The one thing I don't like about K&N filters is that you're supposed to oil them. And you know that oil gets pulled into the engine. After pulling off my upper and lower intake and seeing how much oil is caked up in the intakes and heads, there's no way I'd want more oil getting stuck in there. If I end up being able to fix my engine I can assure you that I'll be deleting the PCV and EGR.

Thats a rumor thats floating around as well. Many test showed that was false. I never had a problem and i been running them on my past 3 cars. No oil no nothing in engine pcv.

oil is heavier then air. No way air can suck it it

And when you oil them u dont drench it, u give it a light coating. You car is ran off oil, why would it matter if oil get into your engine?lol

[Lumoon]

Originally Posted by mcqueen The one thing I don't like about K&N filters is that you're supposed to oil them. And you know that oil gets pulled into the engine. After pulling off my upper and lower intake and seeing how much oil is caked up in the intakes and heads, there's no way I'd want more oil getting stuck in there. If I end up being able to fix my engine I can assure you that I'll be deleting the PCV and EGR.

I did an oil catch can when I did the windstar swap a few months ago, and I ran into an issue with my IRCM butterfly valve getting stuck closed. So I did a lower intake swap to a nice ported on with IRMC's removed, and I noticed a huge difference in the amount of oil that was in the intakes, far less after the catch can. And today I was giving my car the once over at the gas station and I noticed my catch can is almost full. So I'm going to test the oil to see if its still good and if it is I'm tapping the dipstick tube and attaching a drip line from the catch can to the tube.

Also the K&N filter is supposed to dry before you put it back on your car.

Happy trails.

[mcqueen]

Originally Posted by 4U2C Thats a rumor thats floating around as well. Many test showed that was false. I never had a problem and i been running them on my past 3 cars. No oil no nothing in engine pcv. oil is heavier then air. No way air can suck it it And when you oil them u dont drench it, u give it a light coating. You car is ran off oil, why would it matter if oil get into your engine?lol

Haha next time I'm in my garage I'll take a picture of my intake runner for you. Then you'll see exactly why getting oil into the engine is very bad. In theory, the oil should get pulled down into the cylinders and get burned through the normal combustion process. But that's not reality. It actually gets gunked up in the intake runners and restricts air flow. I figure if my engine is able to suck 3000 mile oil through that little PCV line, it should have no problem pulling oil through an air filter.

[mcqueen]

Originally Posted by Lumoon I did an oil catch can when I did the windstar swap a few months ago, and I ran into an issue with my IRCM butterfly valve getting stuck closed. So I did a lower intake swap to a nice ported on with IRMC's removed, and I noticed a huge difference in the amount of oil that was in the intakes, far less after the catch can. And today I was giving my car the once over at the gas station and I noticed my catch can is almost full. So I'm going to test the oil to see if its still good and if it is I'm tapping the dipstick tube and attaching a drip line from the catch can to the tube. Also the K&N filter is supposed to dry before you put it back on your car. Happy trails.

I did an oil catch can just for shits and giggles a while back but the vacuum line I used wasn't strong enough to withstand the vacuum from the engine so I scraped the idea and figured whenever I got around to getting some 3/8" fuel line hose then I'd redo it. But I didn't get around to it before my engine blew. I figure if I fix the engine, I'll try to completely delete the PCV system and if I run into troubles (like many have) then I'll go back to the catch can idea.


I got lazy when it came time to mount it

[mcqueen]

Alright, I took some pics to show you why you don't want oil running through your intakes.

This is one of the upper intake runners


And I ran my finger through it real quick


And this is one of the lower intake runners


And I ran my finger through that too


Beautiful, huh? And I just Seafoamed the vehicle 10k miles ago.