Air Intake Difference

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 02:15 PM

No, I'm not switching to a windstar kit... I'm staying with either the traditional CAI or this Home-made short ram intake that I have. I'm not looking to spend any more money for performance for now... Like most sixxers on here, I'll just work with what I have.

So I have this...

OR

I like the look of the visible air filter but is it worth it?? My only "concern" is that I'd lose the CAI's "chirp".

I had this setup for about a month or so but I honestly couldn't tell the differnce "performance-wise". Thoughts V6 peeps?

6ER THEN I 8ER! · July 27th, 2011, 02:17 PM

fenderwell is going to get you the better air for that engine.....but w/e floats your boat

Green_6er · July 27th, 2011, 02:27 PM

but the ram air intake just looks bad ass.

6ER THEN I 8ER! · July 27th, 2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Green_6er

but the ram air intake just looks bad ass.

functionality > looks everytime

brokenweasel · July 27th, 2011, 02:32 PM

fashion-wise, the matching painted tube looks better the the purple filter in the bay.

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER

functionality > looks everytime

True.... But how much worse could it get MPG wise? Would it be harmful for the engine especially it not having any kind of heat shield?

Green_6er · July 27th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER

functionality > looks everytime

yea ik, i would rather have a car that ran like a dream and looked like shit then a car that looked amazing but ran like shit.

6ER THEN I 8ER! · July 27th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by MRKsD3

True.... But how much worse could it get MPG wise? Would it be harmful for the engine especially it not having any kind of heat shield?

think of it more as which is better for your engine for air to mix with gas....a dense cold air or a less dense hot air?

basically the volumn of air may be the same between the two intakes...but the colder air will have more molecules for the combustion side of things

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER

think of it more as which is better for your engine for air to mix with gas....a dense cold air or a less dense hot air?

basically the volumn of air may be the same between the two intakes...but the colder air will have more molecules for the combustion side of things

Damn Professor 6ER with his Science hat on!

I guess you're right... I was cleaning up my car junk in the storage and I saw that filter+adapter there and I just had that urge to put it back on... lol

6ER THEN I 8ER! · July 27th, 2011, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by MRKsD3

Damn Professor 6ER with his Science hat on!

I guess you're right... I was cleaning up my car junk in the storage and I saw that filter+adapter there and I just had that urge to put it back on... lol

im not the v6 guru for nothing

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER

im not the v6 guru for nothing

Pfshhhhh....

haha

SlowSix · July 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM

I really doubt the short ram vs fenderwell would make any significant difference.

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by 01SilverSixer

I really doubt the short ram vs fenderwell would make any significant difference.

Honestly, that is exactly what I thought. But then again I've only used it for about maybe a month and a half.

Six Banger · July 27th, 2011, 03:43 PM

They're both going to be about the same power wise, I like the look of the ram air one better though

Green_6er · July 27th, 2011, 03:56 PM

i read somewhere that the fenderwell gets you more torque down low (in the rpms) and the ram air gives you more hp up high (in the rpms)

WickedSnake00 · July 27th, 2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by 01SilverSixer

I really doubt the short ram vs fenderwell would make any significant difference.

Most people will never see one.

Originally Posted by 6ER THEN I 8ER

think of it more as which is better for your engine for air to mix with gas....a dense cold air or a less dense hot air?

basically the volumn of air may be the same between the two intakes...but the colder air will have more molecules for the combustion side of things

Close but more complex than that. See below.

Originally Posted by Green_6er

i read somewhere that the fenderwell gets you more torque down low (in the rpms) and the ram air gives you more hp up high (in the rpms)

It's again a tradeoff. The RAI gives you less restriction, thus better flowrate, highly suited to high RPM operation. The CAI gives you a cooler charge which benefits throughout the curve. However once you start moving more air at higher RPM, you start to suffer from the restriction of the extra bend and extra length. It's not so much "better" at low end as it is worse at high end.

Realistically, you probably won't notice a difference. Pick your poison. It's like the age old H pipe vs X pipe argument.

MRKsD3 · July 27th, 2011, 04:27 PM

HmmMMmmm.... Maybe I'll put it back on later... just for the heck of it! lol

This maybe a dumb question but oh well.... would I need to re-tune my car for an intake swap? It's on 91 octane tune ATM...

6ER THEN I 8ER! · July 27th, 2011, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by WickedSnake00

Realistically, you probably won't notice a difference. Pick your poison. It's like the age old H pipe vs X pipe argument.

Prochamber rapes both

edit: found a smart honda guy...he tested temps of both a CAI and RAI with a trigger wire and sensor...here's his results...looks like as long as you keep moving the RAI only stays 15-20 degrees hotter...i don't enough about what that means for the engine so im off to research more...

honda guys research...starting with the sensor next to the fender well filter
I got on the freeway and got stuck in traffic twice and was only driving at 45mph. But when I took the readings I was driving at 70-75mph. The readings of the temps of the CAI area were 87.6, 82.2, 75.5, and 70. When I took the last reading for the CAI the temps were still fluctuating between 70.x and 71.x. When I pulled off of the freeway the temp stayed stuck at 70. I'm saying that the last reading was accurate because the temps were still fluctuating while driving. So the avg temp reading for the CAI area was 78.825.

I moved the sensor to the engine bay and placed it between the filter and the battery. I then took out the batteries from my remote sensor to reset it. Right away the underhood temp read 111.x-115.x. I got on the freeway and to my surprise the temps dropped to around 90.x in less then a minute. As with the CAI area readings, all were done while driving 70-75mph. The readings for the underhood temps were 80.6, 82.6, 84.8, and 83.5. So the avg temp reading for underhood was 82.875. When i got off of the freeway and hit a stop sign the temps would jump up to 110.x to 115.x. Then I would drive a block and the temps would be in the high 80's and low 90's. I know these temps were accuarate because when I got to my brothers house I placed my sensor by the thermostat and the readings were the same.

dcook_14 · July 27th, 2011, 04:43 PM

Personally I like the look of a fenderwell intake. To me that short ram just makes that side of the bay look really cluttered.

SlowSix · July 27th, 2011, 05:28 PM

I have a windstar so my filter sits in the fenderwell, can't say I've had any problems with it.

July 27th, 2011, 02:15 PM	#1
MRKsD3 Wing on, wing off... JULY 2011 ROTM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 4,235 iTrader: 0 reviews	Air Intake Difference No, I'm not switching to a windstar kit... I'm staying with either the traditional CAI or this Home-made short ram intake that I have. I'm not looking to spend any more money for performance for now... Like most sixxers on here, I'll just work with what I have. So I have this... OR I like the look of the visible air filter but is it worth it?? My only "concern" is that I'd lose the CAI's "chirp". I had this setup for about a month or so but I honestly couldn't tell the differnce "performance-wise". Thoughts V6 peeps? __________________ SIG BY WABASHACOBRA99

July 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM	#12
SlowSix Formerly 01silversixer 2001 V6 15.47@89.57 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 3,471 iTrader: 1 reviews	I really doubt the short ram vs fenderwell would make any significant difference. __________________ Build Thread

July 27th, 2011, 03:43 PM	#14
Six Banger Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 - 3.8 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,978 iTrader: 1 reviews	They're both going to be about the same power wise, I like the look of the ram air one better though __________________ Look on the bright side: If you're reading this, you're alive. And that's fucking awesome.

July 27th, 2011, 04:27 PM	#17
MRKsD3 Wing on, wing off... JULY 2011 ROTM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 4,235 iTrader: 0 reviews	HmmMMmmm.... Maybe I'll put it back on later... just for the heck of it! lol This maybe a dumb question but oh well.... would I need to re-tune my car for an intake swap? It's on 91 octane tune ATM... __________________ SIG BY WABASHACOBRA99

July 27th, 2011, 04:43 PM	#19
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	Personally I like the look of a fenderwell intake. To me that short ram just makes that side of the bay look really cluttered. __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

July 27th, 2011, 02:17 PM	#2
6ER THEN I 8ER! Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Portland, TN Posts: 17,515 iTrader: 3 reviews	fenderwell is going to get you the better air for that engine.....but w/e floats your boat

July 27th, 2011, 05:28 PM	#20
SlowSix Formerly 01silversixer 2001 V6 15.47@89.57 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 3,471 iTrader: 1 reviews	I have a windstar so my filter sits in the fenderwell, can't say I've had any problems with it. __________________ Build Thread

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