Need Help!!!!

04stang04 · January 12th, 2012, 10:31 PM

ok so i just finished up the cam swap i bought comp cams 44-704-9 cam, springs and retainers....the car tried to start 2 times and cranked really slow then all of a sudden it started cranking normal.. the car runs and revs fine but no aggressive idle at all (sounds almost stock). my rocker arms have alot of lash in them, how can i adjust them?

04stang04 · January 12th, 2012, 11:19 PM

also installed new lifters

mustangmike! · January 12th, 2012, 11:55 PM

by installing correctly and having correctly sized pushrods

04stang04 · January 13th, 2012, 01:24 PM

what should the clearence be between the rocker arm and pushrod?

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 01:41 PM

have you shimmed at all?

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...PakInstall.pdf

skip to the section about setting the rockers.

04stang04 · January 13th, 2012, 01:43 PM

no, im new to the pedistal mount rocker arms.

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 01:50 PM

new lifters huh ? Maybe the new lifters aren't expanded all the way ? hydrolic w/o pressure inside wont be expanded? < any1 feel free to chime in on that, Ive never had "new" lifters.

But FYI, Once the rocker arm is in place while that cylinder is in TDC on the compression stroke, the valves should be completely closed. And at that point, their should be NO slack between the rocker arm, pushrod, and lifter. If any movement you MIGHT can spin it with your fingers ... maybe. But NO up and down play.

This is where you should have a pushrod length tester tool. @ compression TDC, and the lifter on the base circle of the cam lobe, you would instert this tool and expand until no slack. At that point you must not let the tool contract or expand. remove rocker, pull the tool out. Measure down to the .005 of an inch.

If this does not match the size of your pushrods, then you need to order the correct size.

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 01:54 PM

yea sounds like you need shims. Read up on that article then do some shimming.

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by mustangmike!

new lifters huh ? Maybe the new lifters aren't expanded all the way ? hydrolic w/o pressure inside wont be expanded? < any1 feel free to chime in on that, Ive never had "new" lifters.

But FYI, Once the rocker arm is in place while that cylinder is in TDC on the compression stroke, the valves should be completely closed. And at that point, their should be NO slack between the rocker arm, pushrod, and lifter. If any movement you MIGHT can spin it with your fingers ... maybe. But NO up and down play.

This is where you should have a pushrod length tester tool. @ compression TDC, and the lifter on the base circle of the cam lobe, you would instert this tool and expand until no slack. At that point you must not let the tool contract or expand. remove rocker, pull the tool out. Measure down to the .005 of an inch.

If this does not match the size of your pushrods, then you need to order the correct size.

good info mr. hydrolic... LOL

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by xtreme 2

good info mr. hydrolic... LOL

I have my stupid moments lol I was like wtf did he spell there, looked back and seen where you got it

Atleast the info was good

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 02:15 PM

it's alright, I already knew the medical profession was full of crack jobs...

04stang04 · January 13th, 2012, 02:16 PM

how long would it take the lifters to pump up if that is the problem? do i need to run the engine at 2000rpm for a certain amount of time?

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 02:20 PM

generally I soak them in oil before putting them in so that they become saturated and expand.

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by 04stang04

how long would it take the lifters to pump up if that is the problem? do i need to run the engine at 2000rpm for a certain amount of time?

your "supposed to" some say. BUTTTT I never did

Also you can rig up a way to turn the oil pump w/ a drill if you want to prime the pump.

Its the last thing I did basicaly on my build. Primed it, put the cps in. Intake tube, wiring. Start.

04stang04 · January 13th, 2012, 02:22 PM

i let them soak over night and could still push down on the plunger with my finger, it would move but not much

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 02:28 PM

oh yuck 0_o

Well google some info on use of brand new lifters ... or call the company you ordered them from and ask them what to do.

xtreme 2 · January 13th, 2012, 02:30 PM

yea I dunno. I just re-use mine unless I notice a problem.

Do you still have the stockers?

04stang04 · January 13th, 2012, 06:58 PM

yea i shure do but the only problem is i have already put the motor back together...

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by 04stang04

yea i shure do but the only problem is i have already put the motor back together...

Obviously it needs to come back apart

mustangmike! · January 13th, 2012, 09:01 PM

Your shit should not make this sound:

cam1 - YouTube

January 12th, 2012, 10:31 PM	#1
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	Need Help!!!! ok so i just finished up the cam swap i bought comp cams 44-704-9 cam, springs and retainers....the car tried to start 2 times and cranked really slow then all of a sudden it started cranking normal.. the car runs and revs fine but no aggressive idle at all (sounds almost stock). my rocker arms have alot of lash in them, how can i adjust them?

January 12th, 2012, 11:55 PM	#3
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	by installing correctly and having correctly sized pushrods __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

January 13th, 2012, 01:41 PM	#5
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	have you shimmed at all? http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...PakInstall.pdf skip to the section about setting the rockers. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

January 13th, 2012, 01:50 PM	#7
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	new lifters huh ? Maybe the new lifters aren't expanded all the way ? hydrolic w/o pressure inside wont be expanded? < any1 feel free to chime in on that, Ive never had "new" lifters. But FYI, Once the rocker arm is in place while that cylinder is in TDC on the compression stroke, the valves should be completely closed. And at that point, their should be NO slack between the rocker arm, pushrod, and lifter. If any movement you MIGHT can spin it with your fingers ... maybe. But NO up and down play. This is where you should have a pushrod length tester tool. @ compression TDC, and the lifter on the base circle of the cam lobe, you would instert this tool and expand until no slack. At that point you must not let the tool contract or expand. remove rocker, pull the tool out. Measure down to the .005 of an inch. If this does not match the size of your pushrods, then you need to order the correct size. __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

January 13th, 2012, 01:54 PM	#8
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea sounds like you need shims. Read up on that article then do some shimming. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

January 12th, 2012, 11:19 PM	#2
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	also installed new lifters

January 13th, 2012, 01:24 PM	#4
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	what should the clearence be between the rocker arm and pushrod?

January 13th, 2012, 01:43 PM	#6
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	no, im new to the pedistal mount rocker arms.

January 13th, 2012, 02:15 PM	#11
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	it's alright, I already knew the medical profession was full of crack jobs... __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

January 13th, 2012, 02:16 PM	#12
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	how long would it take the lifters to pump up if that is the problem? do i need to run the engine at 2000rpm for a certain amount of time?

January 13th, 2012, 02:20 PM	#13
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	generally I soak them in oil before putting them in so that they become saturated and expand. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

January 13th, 2012, 02:22 PM	#15
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	i let them soak over night and could still push down on the plunger with my finger, it would move but not much

January 13th, 2012, 02:28 PM	#16
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	oh yuck 0_o Well google some info on use of brand new lifters ... or call the company you ordered them from and ask them what to do. __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

January 13th, 2012, 02:30 PM	#17
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea I dunno. I just re-use mine unless I notice a problem. Do you still have the stockers? __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

January 13th, 2012, 06:58 PM	#18
04stang04 Newbie 2004 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ironton, Ohio Posts: 40 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea i shure do but the only problem is i have already put the motor back together...

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