It starts...

Zatrekaz · February 2nd, 2012, 02:34 AM

Taking the car to the guy who is gonna be doin the work Sat. Gonna trailer the car down there since its running so rough.

Plans:

Check current engine out, make sure its not fixable
Swap in new engine if the above is false. Have not gotten the engine yet.
Do some painting on the engine bay and maybe the engine itself.

Looking at a used 3.8 with 93k miles for $530. Company claims to do steam cleaning before it is sent, so that will be nice.

mustangmike! · February 2nd, 2012, 03:06 AM

0_o should plopped in a 4.2 for that.

Tang Stang · February 2nd, 2012, 08:41 AM

What do you mean, not fixable? I thought your engine just needed to be rebuilt?

xtreme 2 · February 2nd, 2012, 08:53 AM

I think he's weighing the idea between cost of fixing vs. cost of a used but running motor.

xtreme 2 · February 2nd, 2012, 08:54 AM

If you end up dropping in a new motor, get the old one back and start a performance build.

Zatrekaz · February 2nd, 2012, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by mustangmike!

0_o should plopped in a 4.2 for that.

I would have needed to find a donor car, and like I said in the last thread... I just don't have the means or time atm for that. Wish I could have...

Originally Posted by Tang Stang

What do you mean, not fixable? I thought your engine just needed to be rebuilt?

We are going to make sure it needs a new engine before replacing it. I am sure we could fix this one, but the time and money spent may end up being very close to just dropping in a new engine, which would be less work and less time for the same net result.

Originally Posted by xtreme 2

I think he's weighing the idea between cost of fixing vs. cost of a used but running motor.

Bingo

Originally Posted by xtreme 2

If you end up dropping in a new motor, get the old one back and start a performance build.

I thought about that.. it could also be a ginney pig for me to tear down and learn from.

Tang Stang · February 2nd, 2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Zatrekaz

We are going to make sure it needs a new engine before replacing it. I am sure we could fix this one, but the time and money spent may end up being very close to just dropping in a new engine, which would be less work and less time for the same net result.

A new engine, or a engine with 93K on it? I wouldn't call a fresh rebuild on your current engine the same net result as a used engine with 93K miles. I understand that dropping in a used engine will be cheaper in the short term, but I'd hate to see you have to do the same work twice.

ESG-642T · February 2nd, 2012, 12:19 PM

What do you need a donor car for a 4.2?

mustangmike! · February 2nd, 2012, 12:22 PM

Well sir, I haven't been down into the pistons and rods n shit but from the cam up, if you need help or pics I might can hook ya up lol

Zatrekaz · February 2nd, 2012, 07:16 PM

We will simply see what will be done this weekend.

xtreme 2 · February 3rd, 2012, 11:08 AM

yea the 4.2 is a direct swap, just take a few parts off your car and put them on the 4.2 and it drops right in.

Skargon · February 4th, 2012, 09:18 AM

What's the Benefit of a 4.2 Swap? What are the usual gains in HP TQ...?

AndyG47 · February 4th, 2012, 09:53 AM

On paper -
3.8 - 193HP/225TQ
4.2 - 202HP/252TQ

add mods =

_

Skargon · February 4th, 2012, 09:58 AM

Differance between Split Port 3.8 and Single Porn 3.8...? Lol

AndyG47 · February 4th, 2012, 10:02 AM

Single port sixer runs 150HP whilst the split port runs the 190 to 193HP.

_

Zatrekaz · February 4th, 2012, 08:21 PM

Got the car down to the guy today.

His first impressions upon hearing it: a lifter or rocker arm thats not working correctly, also a possible air/fuel issue since you can smell fuel when its running. Engine has a hard miss.

Diagnosis: Can be fixed.

I'm relived to hear that. Less money. I am gonna go ahead and get this fixed and while its apart, replace whatever needs replacing. Any gaskets, seals, parts, anything. I was ready to dump $1k, so I think it would be a good time to really tune the engine up good. Not gonna dump $1k into it, but maybe $500 or so.

Green_6er · February 4th, 2012, 10:44 PM

new cam while you are down there?? just maybe?

Zatrekaz · February 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM

Honestly, I don't really have the motivation to do that right now. I would like to, but right now I am simply concerned with getting the car up and running. We are down to one working vehicle, so its important that I get the car going ASAP.

mustangmike! · February 5th, 2012, 03:05 PM

I completely understand man. Do what you have to.

And btw, if your rocker arm is messing up, and a port is not opening correctly, that will adjust AFR and make different readings.

Zatrekaz · February 6th, 2012, 11:40 AM

Turns out it was a bad spark plug hole. It was not tightening down and thus the compression on that cly was really bad.

Gonna did that and change the lower intake gasket.

I'm still kinda concerned about the 90 psi reading I got however. Might ask him to do a test and see if I was doing it wrong.

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February 2nd, 2012, 02:34 AM	#1
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	It starts... Taking the car to the guy who is gonna be doin the work Sat. Gonna trailer the car down there since its running so rough. Plans: Check current engine out, make sure its not fixable Swap in new engine if the above is false. Have not gotten the engine yet. Do some painting on the engine bay and maybe the engine itself. Looking at a used 3.8 with 93k miles for $530. Company claims to do steam cleaning before it is sent, so that will be nice. __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

February 2nd, 2012, 03:06 AM	#2
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	0_o should plopped in a 4.2 for that. __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

February 2nd, 2012, 08:41 AM	#3
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	What do you mean, not fixable? I thought your engine just needed to be rebuilt? __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

February 2nd, 2012, 08:53 AM	#4
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	I think he's weighing the idea between cost of fixing vs. cost of a used but running motor. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

February 2nd, 2012, 08:54 AM	#5
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you end up dropping in a new motor, get the old one back and start a performance build. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

February 2nd, 2012, 12:19 PM	#8
ESG-642T [8MINUS2] 2002, Ford, v6 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 12,319 iTrader: 0 reviews	What do you need a donor car for a 4.2? __________________ Hi, You can call me Kyle Random ESG fact: Had a prochamber on his v6 before it was popular. WTB: v6 BBK valve covers

February 2nd, 2012, 12:22 PM	#9
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	Well sir, I haven't been down into the pistons and rods n shit but from the cam up, if you need help or pics I might can hook ya up lol __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

February 2nd, 2012, 07:16 PM	#10
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	We will simply see what will be done this weekend. __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

February 3rd, 2012, 11:08 AM	#11
xtreme 2 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 v6 premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea the 4.2 is a direct swap, just take a few parts off your car and put them on the 4.2 and it drops right in. __________________ Screw it, coming to play with the big boys... 5.4L Vortech COMING SOON!

February 4th, 2012, 09:18 AM	#12
Skargon Skar Gone 1998 Mustang V6 17.27@76.66 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 1,646 iTrader: 0 reviews	What's the Benefit of a 4.2 Swap? What are the usual gains in HP TQ...? __________________ 1998 5 Speed, CAI, Exhaust, Rear Seat Delete.

February 4th, 2012, 09:58 AM	#14
Skargon Skar Gone 1998 Mustang V6 17.27@76.66 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 1,646 iTrader: 0 reviews	Differance between Split Port 3.8 and Single Porn 3.8...? Lol __________________ 1998 5 Speed, CAI, Exhaust, Rear Seat Delete.

February 4th, 2012, 08:21 PM	#16
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	Got the car down to the guy today. His first impressions upon hearing it: a lifter or rocker arm thats not working correctly, also a possible air/fuel issue since you can smell fuel when its running. Engine has a hard miss. Diagnosis: Can be fixed. I'm relived to hear that. Less money. I am gonna go ahead and get this fixed and while its apart, replace whatever needs replacing. Any gaskets, seals, parts, anything. I was ready to dump $1k, so I think it would be a good time to really tune the engine up good. Not gonna dump $1k into it, but maybe $500 or so. __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

February 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM	#18
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	Honestly, I don't really have the motivation to do that right now. I would like to, but right now I am simply concerned with getting the car up and running. We are down to one working vehicle, so its important that I get the car going ASAP. __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

February 5th, 2012, 03:05 PM	#19
mustangmike! I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2004,1994,1967 14.37 @ 96 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6,018 iTrader: 1 reviews	I completely understand man. Do what you have to. And btw, if your rocker arm is messing up, and a port is not opening correctly, that will adjust AFR and make different readings. __________________ 227whp N/A V6 Now w/ 8th Mile 8s ! How To Jmod Your Late Model 4R70W

February 6th, 2012, 11:40 AM	#20
Zatrekaz Wax on, Wax off 2003 Mustang V6 16.8@83.3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 6,954 iTrader: 15 reviews	Turns out it was a bad spark plug hole. It was not tightening down and thus the compression on that cly was really bad. Gonna did that and change the lower intake gasket. I'm still kinda concerned about the 90 psi reading I got however. Might ask him to do a test and see if I was doing it wrong. Sent from my PB99400 using AutoGuide.Com Free __________________ Black Bullitt Rims FT/FS Looking to Sell or Trade for Silver FR500s Looking to buy a lot of 99-04 Interior Pieces If you have any for sale, PM me

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