[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by 02ponypackage well if theres only a 2 year warranty then thats not pretty much lifetime...having a lifetime warranty is nice

he says the pipes will last you a life time. still a 2 year warranty on pipes...that if anything goes wrong i get a new header, intercooler pipe w/e part that got messed up....thats pretty good

and greenfaleens dumbass said his kits were BS
lol and people wonder

[TheUNZippee!]

One is not better than the other. They are just different.

Turbo's & Centrifugal type s/c'ers make more power in the middle & top of the powerband.
Roots type & Whipples, or twin screws, make better power in the lower half of the powerband. So it all depends on what you want & when you want it.

Learn about twin screw's (Whipple): Twin Screw

Learn about Roots type: Roots

Learn about Centrifugal s/cers: Centri's

Learn about turbos: Turbos

[itschristorres8]

andys turbo kits can begin boost at 1800rpms and be full boosted at 2500rpms

even roots will have a tough time

the only car that i wouldnt turbo thats a mustang is the 03/04 cobras

anything else would need a hairdryer

[TheUNZippee!]

The average street car, especially stock V6 cars, is almost halfway through the power band at 2500 rpm where you have reached full boost with the turbo. A roots type blower with which you are comparing it is typically creating full boost at 2000 rpm. That 500 rpm differential is a huge difference particularly on the street for the average stoplight to stoplight guy.

[itschristorres8]

actually Andy compared his to a roots style blower...

procharger has been proven on his site to be outperformed by his turbo kits

7psi turbo > 11psi procharger

[dapack69]

Thats why you get a cam and valvetrain to take you all the way up to 7000 RPM's.

[Hourofpain]

id go with a twin screw supercharger.

im nt down with the sudden enormous short range of boost that a turbo provides.

besides to me the twin screw seems somuch less complexy and bettter looking.
oh without the annoying ricer whine of a turbo
That turns me down

but thats me

[dapack69]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 actually Andy compared his to a roots style blower... procharger has been proven on his site to be outperformed by his turbo kits 7psi turbo > 11psi procharger

No shit, running four lbs more boost better make more power.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by Hourofpain id go with a twin screw supercharger. im nt down with the sudden enormous short range of boost that a turbo provides. besides to me the twin screw seems somuch less complexy and bettter looking. oh without the annoying ricer whine of a turbo That turns me down but thats me

HA!
i guess some people dont learn

same boost
turbo > s/c

with ANY car everytime


plus you guys make it seem like your barely boosting...i cant wait til i post vids

when you racing when the hell are you ever below 2500rpms....at the begining for maybe a second

[TheUNZippee!]

As I said, one is not better than the other. They are just different, and it all depends on what you want. We have all seen different supercharged & turbocharged cars that make insane amounts of power. Either application can be made to make incredible power if it and the rest of the engine & fuel system is set up accordingly.
Personally, I'd prefer a turbo, since I do 90% of my driving on the highway, and I just love the sound of it.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by dapack69 Originally Posted by itschristorres8 actually Andy compared his to a roots style blower... procharger has been proven on his site to be outperformed by his turbo kits 7psi turbo > 11psi procharger No shit, running four lbs more boost better make more power.

huh? i said the turbo kit out performed the procharger....thats with the procharger having 11 lbs and the turbo boosting 7psi


the turbo having 4 less out performed the s/c




oh and to the hourire w/e guy...they dont make a twin screw kit for your v6 yet....so good luck making that work.

[TheUNZippee!]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 same boost turbo > s/c with ANY car everytime plus you guys make it seem like your barely boosting...i cant wait til i post vids when you racing when the hell are you ever below 2500rpms....at the begining for maybe a second

First of all, show me a bunch of dyno charts with multiple cars that proves this. And even if you prove to me that all turbos will make more power than a s/c at a given boost number, there is more to acceleration than the bottom line horsepower numbers. Like where in the rpm range the power is made, and how quickly the engine reacts to throttle input.

Second of all, I keep saying it depends on what you want and how you drive your car. Many average guys are tooling around in their car, and punching it from below 2500 rpm. Many. Not everyone is sitting at the tree waiting to launch their car.

[Hourofpain]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 Originally Posted by dapack69 Originally Posted by itschristorres8 actually Andy compared his to a roots style blower... procharger has been proven on his site to be outperformed by his turbo kits 7psi turbo > 11psi procharger No shit, running four lbs more boost better make more power. huh? i said the turbo kit out performed the procharger....thats with the procharger having 11 lbs and the turbo boosting 7psi the turbo having 4 less out performed the s/c oh and to the hourire w/e guy...they dont make a twin screw kit for your v6 yet....so good luck making that work.

I know they dont make one yet.
but i still prefer the twin screw.

im not into the limited range the turbo has

ill take 8lbs of boost throughout the power band then a turbo thatsonly running 6lbs with a limited duration.

i prefer broad boost.

[Onemanzu]

sorry but you don't need charts or anything but common sense to tell you that turbos>s.cs

turbos make power off of 1. ____________ which is that waste of the engine working...

Super chargers use the 2. _______________ to spin the pulley.... this belt is turned by the crank... and when ever you put items to by spun by the belt they draw power from then engine spinning...

their fore 3. ___________ > 4. _______________

hope ya get it right

[TheUNZippee!]

Nope. Research doesn't lie. Bitch.

[Hourofpain]

dont turbos build backpressure though?

[TheUNZippee!]

From a tech article on turbos:

"We need to have quick spool-up time of the turbo. We tend to wind through gears more than a diesel, so there is more up-down-up in the RPM range. Unlike a diesel, we have throttle plates that close off the intake tract, so whenever the throttle closes, the turbo spools down due to the back pressure and lack of exhaust gases. The closing of the throttle plates can cause a significant surge in the intake tract and can even damage the compressor wheel if it is severe enough. With our broad RPM range we need to make the proper volume of air for the engine speed. Our engine needs twice the volume of air at 7000 RPM than at 3000 RPM and it needs to make it efficiently.

The turbine side of the turbo needs to be addressed differently. Gasoline exhaust gases are HOT, in the range of 1000-1400ºF when under load, but they are of a comparatively lower volume to a diesel. The turbine can be sized to take advantage of this heat. Hot gases will expand, and by keeping a small amount of back pressure to the engine, the cylinders will be filled completely. The hot gases have only one place to go: through the turbine. Any restrictions after the turbo are a waste and only cause slower spool up times."

[TheUNZippee!]

Keep in mind it's the rapid expansion of the incredibly hot exhaust gases that spin the turbine, not the exhaust gas flowing past it.

[02ponypackage]

Originally Posted by Hourofpain dont turbos build backpressure though?

did you say ricer whine in the turbo ? yeah your officially an idiot...turbos dont whine...and whats rice about them ? also dont use the word rice if you dont even know the true meaning......dont try and defend back either...because your already owned

[SSStang]

A Twin screw car might be nasty down low but around 2krpm its gonna get reeled in & blown buy a turbo car.

I'm a twin fan myself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UPrjoXIxhHg