[shadow5403]

no one is gonna dyno test a CAI to prove 9 rwhp. That isnt even a large enough gain to really notice....so i believe it. And that link i sent you was only for V6 motors.

[HMUSN]

then we will have to agree to disagree.

I don't believe it and it can't be proven because
of too many variables.

[Zatrekaz]

Hehe belive what you want to about them, but when you get a CAI that adds 9 rwhp to a stock V6 let me know cause Im buying one.

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 you cant boast a false statement to market a product. I believe it is called FRAUD. And that "swooshing" sound is the sound of greater airflow. Keep in mind that all an engine is is an air pump. More efficient air intake = more power. AND under drive pulleys DO NOT ADD POWER. They only slow down accessories which more efficiently delivers the SAME amount of power to your wheels.

i didn't say they added power... this isn't my first time posting

they free up rotational power that is loss due to resistance on the pulleys..

You will get an small increase in power... but you aren't adding it your just uncovering it...

[Onemanzu]

some day i will have to get a CAI and dyno test it just to prove that they are worthless

[shadow5403]

"sigh"....why is there even a competition for performance parts if one part is not better than the other. From what you guys are sayin i could make my own crappy product market it with "adds up to xx amount of hp" and it will be fine. pcp piping ftw!

[shadow5403]

an engine is an air pump. breathe better = more power. Go run around your house breathing out of your nose and then try if using your mouth and tell me which is easier. Im goin off of engine principles....yur goin off pure arrogance. And if CAI were useless, they wouldnt make them buddy.

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 "sigh"....why is there even a competition for performance parts if one part is not better than the other. From what you guys are sayin i could make my own crappy product market it with "adds up to xx amount of hp" and it will be fine. pcp piping ftw!

if you wanted to make a PCP set up and sell it go for it... thats basically what CAI's are...

the main difference between ebay and bbk or mac or K&N is the name... you are paying 100%+ mark up just for the name...

[Zatrekaz]

No, the HP gains these companys are listing are the hp gains they got, on there cars, in a prefect condition.

They said adds "Up to", "around", and other things like that. Yes, there are CAIs that are better than others... but no CAI is going to add much more than ... at best case 5rwhp if even that, to a stock v6.

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 an engine is an air pump. breathe better = more power. Go run around your house breathing out of your nose and then try if using your mouth and tell me which is easier. Im goin off of engine principles....yur goin off pure arrogance. And if CAI were useless, they wouldnt make them buddy.

to sell to people who don't realize that they have no gain... AND only make a cool whooshing noise... if you would like a cool whooshing noise just remove the air silencer on the stock intake...

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by Zatrekaz at best case .5rwhp if even that, to a stock v6.

agreed

[shadow5403]

At least i found some ppl who are as stubborn and prolly gettin as pissed as i am with this topic. i quit

[Zatrekaz]

Its just debate man, I dont know about everyone else but Im not pissed.

CAIs are not "useless products". They simply dont add as much rwhp as the companies say. Thats all we are saying. Yes, a CAI helps your engine, and it REALLY helps if you have alot of mods. However for a stock car you will not see that much gains, especialy from a V6. Even a V8 will not see THAT much gains stock.... you need mods to compliment them.

Point and case... a Turbo does nothing for your car without its compliment, an Intercooler.

[HMUSN]

I'm not pissed at all.
nor are they.

a debate is a debate.

[shadow5403]

an intercooler just makes forced induction more efficient. Yeah a turbo produces alot more heat than say a vortech s/c......but its still forced induction and will make a power gain

[ItaliStang]

Here's a good example of the loophole they use...

This is a dyno test that is under the K&N intake on this page. (The small link next to the hp gains it advertises) this is for 3.8 v6 mustangs...



The dyno shows the hp without the cai at 211 hp...
Stock 3.8 mustangs, I believe, only make 193 bhp, they have a mustang that makes 211 rwhp, the car is obviously modded... and they can get away with saying that it can give you 11 hp because they don't ever say it gives that much gain on a stock v6 mustang, they simply say a v6 mustang...

[shadow5403]

Originally Posted by ItaliStang Here's a good example of the loophole they use... This is a dyno test that is under the K&N intake on this page. (The small link next to the hp gains it advertises) this is for 3.8 v6 mustangs... The dyno shows the hp without the cai at 211 hp... Stock 3.8 mustangs, I believe, only make 193 bhp, they have a mustang that makes 211 rwhp, the car is obviously modded... and they can get away with saying that it can give you 11 hp because they don't ever say it gives that much gain on a stock v6 mustang, they simply say a v6 mustang...

How is it obviously modded?? why cant you just believe that your engines factor air system is that restricted.

[HMUSN]

how is it modded..

since when does a v6 mustang make 211 rwhp ?
they only make 190-193 crank hp from the factory.

crank horsepower and rear wheel hp are different.

[ItaliStang]

do you know of a 3.8 v6 that makes 211 rwhp completely stock?

cause if you do, I'll sell mine and buy it, cause that is one of a kind

[shadow5403]

that chart is also prolly not for a 1999-2004. look at this chart for a 2000 STOCK mustang:
http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/57-2532.pdf
K&N systems keep the filter in the engine bay rather than in the fenderwell.......think maybe cooler air from a fenderwell could add a little more power?