[Zatrekaz]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 an intercooler just makes forced induction more efficient. Yeah a turbo produces alot more heat than say a vortech s/c......but its still forced induction and will make a power gain

Lol, I never said a Turbo does NOT make a power gain... I said it does not work as well without its compliment, an Intercooler. Turbos, when pushed, generate alot of heat and need to be cooled.

No one said they dont produce gains

[shadow5403]

you keep posting links from rpm outlet. Give me a straight manufacturers page like what i linked and then argue with me. rpm outlet sucks, and they are the ones making products look better than they are.

[ItaliStang]

99-04 I believe was the fastest 3.8 mustang... and it does say...

K&N Generation II FIPK®
(3.8L V6 Mustang C.A.R.B. Legal)

and along the top...
DYNO PROVEN TO PROVIDE THE LARGEST HORSEPOWER GAINS FOR THE 94-04 Mustang V6 3.8L

That page is all 94-04 mustang parts

all of these charts, mine and the one you showed, are probably off of one run, out of hundreds tried, and the company picked the one with the best results, which would be the one where the conditions were the best.

No one is saying they don't do anything, they do have an effect, but more of an effect with other mods

Go ahead and believe that you will get that 7-11 hp, and buy yourself a cai, let us know if you feel any immediate gains. I'm perfectly content with keeping my $50 or so on an ebay cai until I have more done to my car. I have to get to work, so I'll have to leave this little debate... listen to these guys on here, they know what they're talking about

[shadow5403]

Ok but 1.) in the link i showed you it was directly off K&N's website 2.) it tells you it was stock and its year and it had a more believable base hp range for 99-04, and 3.) in the link i showed you the conditions were NOT perfect because it was 93 degrees outside. Manufacturers will not boast false data....but a third party company can do what they want with their "211 rwhp stock mustang".....rpm outlet is wrong. Direct manufacturer data VS a third party company's data...whose isnt telling the truth? huh?

[shadow5403]

Originally Posted by Zatrekaz Point and case... a Turbo does nothing for your car without its compliment, an Intercooler.

I was only going off of you sayin they did nothing. To me nothing = no gain. sorry

[MWWarlord]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 that chart is also prolly not for a 1999-2004. look at this chart for a 2000 STOCK mustang: http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/57-2532.pdf K&N systems keep the filter in the engine bay rather than in the fenderwell.......think maybe cooler air from a fenderwell could add a little more power?

That chart shows less than a 7hp gain. Don't you think that if their CAI could make 11hp on a stock v6 that they would show that chart instead? Plus you originally argued not to get an ebay CAI. I got a BOMZ CAI off ebay, and they claim HP gains up to 20+ HP. That is just as good or better than claims you'll find anywhere else. BTW man you are arguing with people who actually put CAI's on there cars...so we know how much HP gains they give. I did notice a small difference when I put mine on, but it sure as hell wasn't 20+HP!

[MWWarlord]

BTW shiftyv6. I found that this link was very helpful when putting in my CAI.03 Mustang Convertable - 5 mods now, 4:10 rear end and possi installation
Hope that helps.

[shadow5403]

BTW man you are arguing with people who actually put CAI's on there cars...so we know how much HP gains they give. I did notice a small difference when I put mine on, but it sure as hell wasn't 20+HP!

I DO have a CAI on my car as listed in my sig. Plus you have a 95 mustang which i believe has only around 145 AT THE CRANK...of course you wont feel a CAI upgrade. And plus my original argument was 7-11 hp. That graph showed 6.93 with 93 degrees outside and the filter still in the engine bay! I think ive made my point.

[HMUSN]

so gaining 6.93 HP feels different in a 190HP motor than it does in a 145 HP motor?

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 I DO have a CAI on my car as listed in my sig. Plus you have a 95 mustang which i believe has only around 145 AT THE CRANK...of course you wont feel a CAI upgrade. And plus my original argument was 7-11 hp. That graph showed 6.93 with 93 degrees outside and the filter still in the engine bay! I think ive made my point.

what point? where is a dyno chart from a legit source... that being not a manufacturer...

If you can find a chart that is real and legit then i will get of your case...

[supermachone]

just look at it this way, a cold air intake is like weight loss pills, it gaurentees awesome results but what it really doesnt tell you up front is that u need excerise and a diet plan WITH the pills to achieve these results, it doesnt just happen, therefore to achieve the maximum results out of your cold air intake you need to have more mods to work WITH it! so think about that one.....hahahaha good comparison i know...

[shadow5403]

How much more legit can this data be:

Run Title: Stock 00 FORD MUSTANG V6-3.8L
Run Notes: Baseline stock run. 12131 miles. 3rd gear run.
Run Date: 7/13/2001 2:07:52 PM
Stock.001: 89.39 °F, 28.93 in-Hg, SAE: 1.03

Run Title: FIPK 00 FORD MUSTANG V6-3.8L
Run Notes: 57-2532 installed. 12131 miles. 3rd gear run.
Run Date: 7/13/2001 2:41:02 PM
FIPK.002: 010: 93.75 °F, 28.90 in-Hg, SAE: 1.04

[supermachone]

i think someone is smoking crack

[shadow5403]

lol, i like your weight loss example....but it still boils down to allowing the engine to breathe better which is what a CAI does. End rant...this post is almost 4 pages and is going nowhere but in circles.

[HMUSN]

no one said that it doesn't add power.

I wholeheartedly agree that a cai DOES add hp.

they just don't add the 11rwhp "or so" that they claim to do on a stock v6

[shadow5403]

last thing im goin say....i said 7-11 not just 11. and if in that dyno graph they got 6.93 on a 93 degree day....yur tellin me that with a different altitude or colder temperatures wouldnt give you a few more hp. I gave you a range not a specific number.

[HMUSN]

people hope for 11 not 7

that's how they make their sales.
it's simple business

[shadow5403]

but on a cold day or winter youll see more that 7 because of the more dense air

[HMUSN]

whatever makes you think you'll see more HP man

[Onemanzu]

see what i don't get is ... why put one on to get just a few degrees drop in temperature? your engine has an ambient temperature that the metal pipe will absorb as well as a rather hot upper and lower intake... i know air doesn't warm up super fast, but there is no way that its not going to warm up. so from what i understand/know the intake air charge is going to reach the temperature that it would have reached with stock intake...

plus on a stock naturally aspirated engine, as a first mod your not going to see that much air intake, your restricted by the over all intake CFM of the heads and intakes... as well as restricted by that lack of flow that the throttle body can supply... now if you were to port all of those, heads intakes TB(half shafting), all on a stock engine and you tune it, then make two dyno pulls one stock intake, and one after market i could see how you can come up with maybe 3-5 rwhp

but other then that what im saying is the rest of the stock engine is not capable of flowing the little amount of extra air that the intake can add