New To The Mustang... Twin Turbo vs Supercharger

September 11th, 2006, 02:51 AM	#1
MustangDrew212 Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Geneseo, IL Posts: 57	New To The Mustang... Twin Turbo vs Supercharger Ive helped a friend of mine with some turbocharged first generation and 2nd generation eclipses and i like the turbo set up. I was curious, would a twin turbo kit or a supercharger be a better option for a v6 mustang. In my mind a supercharger is more low end and torque while a turbocharger is more top end and quicker acceleration in the high RPMs/speeds. Then there is the sound thing, i like a nice sounding muscle car, and i REALLY wouldnt want a rice burner sound coming from my mustang, that would be worse than death for me, lol. So i would be willing to sacrafice a few HP's for sound if that means going with a supercharger. Thanks guys.

September 11th, 2006, 02:59 AM	#2
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	=/ if i had the choice for free of the 2, i'd get the twin turbo in a HEARTBEAT, u still get the mustang sound but once that turbo kicks in the s/c stang is going bye bye __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end

September 11th, 2006, 07:28 AM	#3
99mustang232 MM Fanatic 1999 Ford Mustang V6 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: newport news, va Posts: 3,719	what year mustang? IMO the twin-turbo kit would be the ideal route, but there are not many options unless you want to fork over the loot to Andy @ TMAturbo.com or pay for a speedshop to install a custom a kit for you. You will find that their are a plenty of supercharger kits availible that are more user friendly and a lot less fabrication/customization for the install. __________________ ...even fire and single cammin

September 11th, 2006, 11:13 AM	#4
MustangDrew212 Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Geneseo, IL Posts: 57	I have a 2003 3.8L, dark red, almost marron. I'm willing to fork quite a bit of cash for my baby. I want her just the right way, fast. Right now im working on the exhaust and trying to get it just so. Ive seen a few twin turbos for the V8 models that are around 8k, the only difference is the manifolds really... thats an easy fix... i've just gotta take a closer look into it. I think alot of people overlook the V6 twin turbo option, there are cars out there with V6 twins, and they're hella fast... Skyline and Supra are just two that come to mind.

September 11th, 2006, 11:26 AM

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Yea, but the supra also is sportin an impressive inline 6. Check out some of the mustangs at www.tmaturbo.com like 99mustang said. I talked to Andy and he can also just sell you the piping kit if you like. The piping kit is around $2,500 or you could have a place make it. His twin turbo kit comes with the GT28RS dual ball bearing turbos. Pretty nice turbos. They are nicknamed the Disc potato, and are capable of producing up to 350hp. Here. I'll give you the description of them from www.atpturbo.com

Originally Posted by www.atpturbo.com

Garrett GT2860RS (aka GT28RS)
Dual Ball Bearing GT28RS turbo assembly with T25 style turbine inlet. Comes with internal wastegate pre-assembled. This turbo is great for small displacement engines up to 2.2L and has the ultimate spool up time compared to other units. This turbo has a flow capacity of about 350HP. This turbo would be comparable to the HKS GT2530.

Turbine
-Wheel: 53.85mm w/ 76 trim
-Housing: .64 or .86 ar
-Maps

Compressor
-Wheel: 60mm w/ 62 trim
-Housing: .60 ar
-Maps

Here is the turbine map

and here is the compressor map

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September 11th, 2006, 01:36 PM	#6
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	the only thing about the turbo and supercharger, the turbo im not guna lie is gunna be the best poweradder. a race between a twin turboed v6 on 12 psi vs a s/c v6 at 12psi ...the s/c might get the jump but once the turbo spools...your gunna see a few car lengths go by... the s/c might be ahead for 3-5 seconds of the race. but turbo is more money. s/c is easier to install and most do it themself. a turbo is alot trickier. even with TMA custom kit..i believe u have to have certain type of headers(im not sure) and other things too. which is why im choose the s/c.. supercharger for a v6 will run u about $3,000-$4000 depending where u get it. maybe a lil cheaper. turbo from TMA high 3 thousands almost $4000, probably will be $4000 after shipping. but getting that put it in, i dont think is a do it yourself project unless your pretty good with cars which will cost more... i might be wrong..and if i am sum1 tell me cuz i'd love to get turbo over a s/c but i dont wana end up putting almost the double the price of the s/c. but if u got the money for it ...turbo! especially when the lag throws ppl off horribly __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end

September 11th, 2006, 02:08 PM

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Turbos can be put in with regular ol' hand tools, but you have to be careful with a couple of things. Things such as the oil line. I had a buddy who was installing a t3 on his protege and messed up the oil line and wasn't getting enough oil to the turbo and blew a seal. Turbos are a little more finicky, but they are wonderful once you get them and get them tuned. Do they cost more? Yes. Do they require a little more work? Yes. Should all these little side projects that come along with a turbo make you stray from a turbo? Never. Go with what you really want, and don't settle for less.

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September 11th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#8
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	yea but how much more are we talkin about that the turbo is gunna cost? couple hundred or thousand? __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end

September 11th, 2006, 02:14 PM

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Really depends on the setup you want to go with. A twin turbo setup will cost you a pretty penny of about $5,500 with the piping and the turbos. Then the install will be about another $1000 with a tune as well. A rule of thumb with turbos is double your money before you buy. They may be more expensive, but driving a turbo car, and having the effeciency of turbos just out weighs the price of it in my mind. After I drove a turbo car I fell in love with them. There is nothing like it. Cars are ongoing projects that should get exactly what you want. Besides before doing poweradders I would go with the n/a route so you have the most power your engine can make by itself and then just add to it with forced induction. Build your engine up. Take your time and learn about your engine as much as possible before you throw a complete new piece to the puzzle.

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September 11th, 2006, 02:22 PM	#10
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	$6,000 =/ idk, with the extra $2,000 from a s/c you can deffinitly get the boost and reinforce the engine to handle the boost and it'll be faster then getting the tubro's in a 1/4. it would take a long stretch for the tubros to catch up if they do. i know TMA TT kits have about 9psi when its in. but i can imagine with new pulleys and other goodies for the s/c u can manage from 9psi to 15psi about. and ive heard every psi is about 10hp. so now were talkin about 60 more hp __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end

September 11th, 2006, 02:59 PM

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And tuning a turbo for more psi isn't a big deal. Also if you have the turbos sized right they should spool up quicker. Some Mustangs have the turbos spool up at 2500 rpms or lower. Also there are different tt setups. You could have a smaller turbo that spools up in lower rpm ranges that "dumps" the boost into your second larger turbo that spools up in the higher rpm range. Very little turbo lag at all. This setup is known as a sequential setup.

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September 11th, 2006, 05:09 PM	#12
AtlanticBlue99 The Nice Guy 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UGA Posts: 8,251	turbo on same boost as super, turbo wins every time __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

September 11th, 2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MustangDrew212

I have a 2003 3.8L, dark red, almost marron. I'm willing to fork quite a bit of cash for my baby. I want her just the right way, fast. Right now im working on the exhaust and trying to get it just so. Ive seen a few twin turbos for the V8 models that are around 8k, the only difference is the manifolds really... thats an easy fix... i've just gotta take a closer look into it. I think alot of people overlook the V6 twin turbo option, there are cars out there with V6 twins, and they're hella fast... Skyline and Supra are just two that come to mind.

there are several routes you can take, the owner of one of our authorized vendors (VMPTuning) has a interesting TT 2000 3.8, worth checking out...

Originally Posted by Justin@VMP Tuning

Our TT V6 runs 10.9 @ 127 with the stock 3.8, stock heads, stock cam, stock bottom end:

Video: http://www.v6power.net/images/justin/v2/109.wmv
Timeslip: http://www.v6power.net/images/justin/v2/109slip.jpg
Pics and Info: http://v6power.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36444

Our TT 00 V6 makes 450rwhp/475rwtq @ 17psi on the stock motor

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September 11th, 2006, 06:44 PM

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Coming out as we speak from Explorer Express for 2005-07 4.0 'Stang
http://explorerexpresscom.nationprot...5bc437&x=2&y=5
The X-Charger built for relible HP for a daily driver without the worry of too much boost that may lead to engine damage. A supercooled version should be out sometime next year with a retro fit option for these.
Need more info on power adders?

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September 11th, 2006, 07:15 PM	#15
99mustang232 MM Fanatic 1999 Ford Mustang V6 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: newport news, va Posts: 3,719	where did you get those pictures from, can you link? also that supercharger kit's design wont work on his 2000 3.8L split-port SOHC motor. __________________ ...even fire and single cammin

September 11th, 2006, 09:52 PM	#16
Replica R Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Marcos Posts: 164	I've read about what I'm going to type on another topic on here, but found this topic first. Does anyone know who or where I could get some information on customizing a roots supercharger to fit our 6's intake manifolds. Love the way a roots supercharger sounds when spinning. I think that beats a blow off valve anytime.

September 11th, 2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Replica R

I've read about what I'm going to type on another topic on here, but found this topic first. Does anyone know who or where I could get some information on customizing a roots supercharger to fit our 6's intake manifolds. Love the way a roots supercharger sounds when spinning. I think that beats a blow off valve anytime.

you can use a eaton m90 setup from the supercoupe but you gotta change back to the 94-98 3.8 single port heads... other than that i have seen some custom fabrications to accept an eaton M112 from the cobra.

here are some links of interest:
http://www.v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?t=27741
http://www.v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?t=8744
http://www.v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?t=22768

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September 11th, 2006, 11:38 PM	#18
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	getting an eaton m90 is that better then getting a procharger set up on a v6? also u sed they have a turbo kit at VMPtuning, i cant find it? are u sure they have it? __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end

September 11th, 2006, 11:45 PM	#19
AtlanticBlue99 The Nice Guy 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UGA Posts: 8,251	procharger is much better than eaton for the v6 applications __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

September 11th, 2006, 11:49 PM	#20
itschristorres8 SP00LIN V6 2000 Mustang V6 unknown @390 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 14,619	alrite thnks. well MustangDrew212 im going with a s/c. but u have more money maybe so i'd suggest a tubro kit instead. maybe i'll get a turbo on my next stang does a s/c give you less mpg? and does a turbo too? __________________ 437rwhp and 402rwtq through a V6 on a stock bottom end