[GreenFaleen]

I know what ford spec is but power hits the wheels in a stock AODE transmission at 2200 ( you can get to the 2619 with a trans break but not foot breaking like most people will do) I know this as fact from racing and launching multiple v6 mustangs, Ive also driven a v6 mustang with bolt ons with a 3000 stall converter and it bogged like mad everytime a 2500 rpm stall converter is plenty for a bolt on v6 mustang and you'll have a great launch everytime once you find your shift points, also i'm not sure by what you mean on properly j-modded this was a j-mod valve body, on an other wise stock transmission which is what most of the v6 guys would get and it was a ruff shift for a DD car B&M was the smoothest I have driven when mildly driving and the transgo well I dont know why they are still in business to tell the truth.

[Darrin]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen I know what ford spec is but power hits the wheels in a stock AODE transmission at 2200 I know this as fact from racing and launching multiple v6 mustangs, Ive also driven a v6 mustang with bolt ons with a 3000 stall converter and it bogged like mad everytime a 2500 rpm stall converter is plenty for a bolt on v6 mustang and you'll have a great launch everytime once you find your shift points

See, in the 100's of performance torque converters that I have sold and/or installed, I haven't found the same thing that you have seen on the one that you drove.

Maybe there was something else going on there.

I really don't want to sound like a dick here, but I actually and honestly do this stuff for a living. I also race at the local tracks and sponsor cars in a couple of the national series like NMRA.

The difference is that I know what I know from almost 30 years of actual hands on experience and from working thousands of hours on the dyno and at the tracks with this stuff.

This is my living and my business, so why would I lie to anyone? My reputation would go to hell in a handbasket if I did that. You can go to nearly any Ford forum and ask about Darrin or BC Automotive and see what feedback you get. Or, you can call the editors at Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords or Performance Ford Truck magazine and ask them about me.

This is what I do, really it is.

Darrin

[Darrin]

Also, what I mean by properly modded is that it happens a lot that you don't get a properly modded valve body for whatever reason.

In other words, who did the mod to the valve body and was it positively the right valve body for the car in question? Maybe this was one of those 'one size fits all' plate kits that are out there or the valve body that was supplied to the person came off of a truck or a Crown Victoria and had the wrong internal spring setup in it. Or maybe like in the case that I saw it had dirt and broken internal springs in it.

Heck, I don't know. But what I do know is that with the mods that I have done that are based on a j-mod technique but have changes for the particular application and additions that are not covered in the generic directions that you can get online, what you are telling me is the exact opposite of what I know and can prove to anyone that wants to stop in and drive a few cars.

Darrin

[GreenFaleen]

well a performance Torque converter vs a stock ford one is two different things, and a guy comming into a shop like yours that drag races a lot or has a strip car yes a 3k stall converter might be perfect for them, but where I am disagreeing with you is on a DD street oriented v6 mustang a 2500 rpm stall converter is going to be all they will need, Im not calling you a liar or attempting to discredit your business in anyway, but a guy doing gears, t-lok, a shift kit, and TC isn't going to need a a stall that high

and he got the valve body from the site posted earlier so your mod could very well have been performed better, I driven one and ridden in one car with j-mods from that site and they were really ruff when driving in normal street conditions so that might need to be taken more as a warning for that site than the overall j-mod

[Darrin]

I posted in the thread that the other guy did that a lot of this depends on how they get their stall number. I am talking about true stall and I think that perhaps you are not. All of my products are rated at true stall, which is the stall that you would see in that specific car on a transbrake. I get as much info on the actual car that I can and have a converter built to get the true stall that I am after. Also, the very vast majority of the work that I do is for the street crowd.

Now, for the S&G factor, I went out and warmed up about a half dozen cars and checked the stall on them today. The v6 cars stalled between 2200 and 2500 on their stock converters holding the gas pedal to the floor with the parking brake applied and the transmission in drive. Only 1 had enough balls to spin the tires. LOL

On the road at a 2nd gear punch from about 10mph, I got some slightly higher numbers, but not enough to mention.

Without a transbrake, that is about as close you are going to get to seeing true stall.

I am going to stick by my suggestion that a low 3000 range stall woudl be the way to go. If I am wrong and the converter is purchased from me then I offer a free restall.

By the way, I have never once had a customer want less stall after they have driven their car. But, I have had very many of them wish that they had gone higher. Several have challenged me on what their converter is really stalling at and not once has my builder missed the mark on building what he was asked to build.

Also, usually a bog means that you don't have enough stall instead of having too much. That bog happens when the car comes off the line on the converter and then doesn't have the balls to push through after that and it falls on it's face. A stock converter doesn't have enough stall for you to get that unpleasant experience since it is just flat from the start. What you aree talking about happens when you put in something loose enough to start to show you how it could leave if it had more, but not loose enough to put the car into its power range. Spray that same car off the line and you will usually have a rocket because all that added torque will be able to both push the converter to a higher stall and carry the car after that point.

Darrin

[GreenFaleen]

well true stall through a transbreak is not going to be the numbers the majority of the v6 crowd see with a torque converter which is probably where we are disagreeing, before I got my TC if I got over 2200 i spun like mad, when I got the 2500 I could launch at about 2300 which was a little high for me I still spun comming off the line I normally maunched at about 2100 i got the TC mainly to have a better and more efficient piece. and bog might have been the wrong word but with that high stall converter if he took it all the way up to 3k he was just spinning and launching at 2200 which was about perfect for him it acted like he was launching from idle