[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 well ppl put hayabusas in buggies, so its obviously not an issue or people wouldnt do it.

they use a motorcycle transmission though which is a idfferent shift pattern, the atom was meant to be able to be driven without the need of a motorcycle liscense

[shadow5403]

Originally Posted by Blainestang I see what you're saying. I think it's safe to say the Atom engineers were thinking "outside the box" and for whatever reason, they chose to go with the ~2L S/C engines that they did. There could be several reasons for this: 1. Torque: Chances are, the 2.xL S/C engines have a much more useable powerband than even a S/C 1.3L 'busa engine. 2. Reliability/Availability: Ariel can simply buy the S/C Ecotec from Chevy, the parts are very easily available, and the engine may even have a warranty. I have to imagine that a Supercharged 'busa engine quite as "off-the-shelf". Who knows what all their reasoning was, but I'm sure they considered several options and decided that the 2.xL S/C I4's were the way to go. BTW, the 'busa engine is probably lighter, but it IS a 4-cylinder engine, just like the others.

Before ariel started making this car they pretty much made something custom....once everything worked out they got an agreement with the manufacture of the parts. Same thing with companies like saleen and roush. The get the base parts from ford and then do "their" upgrades. If someone successfuly built a similar vehicle using a bike engine that was blown....you dont think the would get easily available parts from susuki? And that may be a 4cyl also, but its a bike engine NOT a car engine....so there are many differences....weight being the key point. And since that engine redline at like 14k...i dont think a floor pedal clutch will matter. My buddy has one of these bikes and its freakin disgustingly fast.

[shadow5403]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen they use a motorcycle transmission though which is a idfferent shift pattern, the atom was meant to be able to be driven without the need of a motorcycle liscense

so u are saying that the ppl that put v8 on the motorcycles have to get a car license because its using a different transmission/engine?

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 so u are saying that the ppl that put v8 on the motorcycles have to get a car license because its using a different transmission/engine?

you normally have to have a car liscense to drive a motorcycle, but a motorcycle engine would take a teaching class on how to use the transmission

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 Before ariel started making this car they pretty much made something custom....once everything worked out they got an agreement with the manufacture of the parts. Same thing with companies like saleen and roush. The get the base parts from ford and then do "their" upgrades. If someone successfuly built a similar vehicle using a bike engine that was blown....you dont think the would get easily available parts from susuki? And that may be a 4cyl also, but its a bike engine NOT a car engine....so there are many differences....weight being the key point. And since that engine redline at like 14k...i dont think a floor pedal clutch will matter. My buddy has one of these bikes and its freakin disgustingly fast.

Sure, Suzuki could supply 'busa engines, but do they supply off-the-shelf supercharged, 300hp engines? Chevy does, and because it's a production engine, it's been put through all the rigorous R&D, reliability tests, etc. Unless Suzuki has a supercharged engine in production, it's not really comparable.

Also, it's quite likely that Ariel wanted a car-like powerband, not a 14k rpm redline - type powerband.

[shadow5403]

you see, yur tryin to too closely compare what im saying to what someone else has already done. Why would someone try to replicate something already built? The whole point of building something different is so its UNIQUE! All i said was a blown hayabusa engine on a buggy would be sickly fast.

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 you see, yur tryin to too closely compare what im saying to what someone else has already done. Why would someone try to replicate something already built? The whole point of building something different is so its UNIQUE! All i said was a blown hayabusa engine on a buggy would be sickly fast.

You said:

if someone built a dune buggy w/ a busa engine it would rape the s/c type

You're the one who started this comparison, not me.

[GreenFaleen]

yeah it would be fast turbos probably more the way to go for a motorcycle engine though, and busa engine are real finicky

[shadow5403]

yeah i said the hayabusa engine would rape the type r engine....NOT the atom.

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 yeah i said the hayabusa engine would rape the type r engine....NOT the atom.

1. Then why did you say to build a caged dune buggy throw a busa engine on it if you weren't trying to beat the atom? Why wouldn't you just put the busa engine in an atom if you were simply comparing engines?

2. In this application, I don't think a S/C 'busa engine is necessarily faster or better. I'm sure they could drag a bunch more power out of the Type R or Cobalt engine as well to hang with a heavily moddified busa engine, but that defeats the purpose of an "off-the-shelf" engine that isn't far removed from a proven, reliable setup.

But whatever, whether this discussion is based on a misunderstanding or not, the Atom is awesome, the busa engine is awesome, etc. I think we can all agree on that. [/Off-topic discussion]

[tsp_2177]

shadow if you think its such a good idea why wont you just email them and see their response i'm pretty sure they've thought of something along those lines.
but in all uniqueness a busa engine wouldn't be that unique theres already plenty of companies that have done that remember the t-rex?
and high revs isn't the best for cars espescially something heavier than what the motor was designed for, it would take a rediculous amount of time to get to the powerband and would end up feeling like turbo lag or something to that extent.
also if its already the fastest accelerating car, then i dont think it could handle much more power without breaking loose constantly. and if you put a lighter engine in the back that means even less traction, another thing to think about...
theres just endless things that you have to concider when designing something like this, thats why they do it and we don't

[xXsmokinaceXx]

dang fast!

[shadow5403]

and im sure someone said the same thing when the atom was just a thought. Whatever, i just said my thought since its something me and my friends have wanted to do.

/quit

[tsp_2177]

me and my brother in law tried to put a ninja 500 motor in a racing go cart
we got it in there and the tranny but i don't know what happened to finishing it lol we just forgot bout it

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by shadow5403 and im sure someone said the same thing when the atom was just a thought. Whatever, i just said my thought since its something me and my friends have wanted to do. /quit

Have you see the video of the go-cart with the Gixxer engine?