5.0 in V6

camer · November 6th, 2006, 12:56 PM

I own a 3.8l 2000 mustang. Its a five speed manual. I want to put a 5.0 in it. Will the 5.0 hook up to the v6 five speed manual transmission? th3e 5.0 is a roller cam engine. I really need to knwo cause that is debating weather or not i will be getting a v8 or not in my mustang. Thank you.

chevy_killer · November 6th, 2006, 03:24 PM

do you know what year that 5.0 came out of

ssajdowitz · November 6th, 2006, 03:31 PM

The 3.8 and the 5.0 share the same bolt pattern where the bellhousing hooks up.

I know this because I have a flywheel, bellhousing, transmission and clutch from a 5.0 in my 98 3.8. As far as I know, the pattern stayed the same for the split port as did the single port.

chevy_killer · November 6th, 2006, 03:34 PM

but the thing is can the v6 trani handle a 5.0

AtlanticBlue99 · November 6th, 2006, 03:36 PM

The aod cannot. those trannies are very weak- which is why ford upgraded to the 4r70w in the later yrs.

chevy_killer · November 6th, 2006, 03:51 PM

i would get a whole new trani instead of hopeing it would fit or if it would hold up the 5.0 power.....im just trying to save you some heart ache......i can see it now if you put that v6 trany in...you go to punch it and the trany fails and your out a trany...then youll have to take the motor back out and swap the tranys when you could have spent the extra money to get you a new trany

Onemanzu · November 6th, 2006, 05:43 PM

can you get the 5.0 and the tranny?? or is this a crate engine your looking at

Pharoh · November 7th, 2006, 09:20 PM

im thinking about thisi too i already posted but would i be able to bolt a 5.0 motor and 5spd trans right into the 2000 mustang engine bay.

Onemanzu · November 7th, 2006, 11:06 PM

well the thing is if you get a 5.0 your running it threw the weaker 7.5 rear end... to get a scrapped rear end and install it your self might be worth it ... but then again its all your call... if your car has some crazy sentimental value then go for it IMO sell your car in the paper and buy a GT...

ssajdowitz · November 7th, 2006, 11:36 PM

I'm not sure the AOD is all that weak.
The fox body 5.0s ran an AOD. Also, my 89 Thunderbird Supercoupe also has an AOD. My 92 F-150 with a 5.8L uses an A4OD. Is the A4OD similar?

AtlanticBlue99 · November 7th, 2006, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by ssajdowitz

I'm not sure the AOD is all that weak.
The fox body 5.0s ran an AOD. Also, my 89 Thunderbird Supercoupe also has an AOD. My 92 F-150 with a 5.8L uses an A4OD. Is the A4OD similar?

the aod is much weaker than the 4r70w and has old technology in its construction http://www.becontrols.com/tech/ch2aodefund.htm

ssajdowitz · November 7th, 2006, 11:54 PM

So, it looks like there are two main improvements.

1)The upgraded overdrive band.

2)The enhanced lockup feature. Sudden lockup will kill transmission quickly. My old AODE lasted only 7k miles with a 3000rpm stall. By installing that, I pretty much eliminated the upgrade.

It looks like the best bet is to install an AODE or 4R70W with a stock converter, unless you upgrade the tranny as well.

AtlanticBlue99 · November 7th, 2006, 11:58 PM

4r70w can withstand 700ft./lbs tq., that is what the 70 stands for.

ssajdowitz · November 8th, 2006, 12:44 AM

The AODE and the 4R70W are essentially the same except for this:

1)Gear ratios, the 4R70W has the wide ratio gears whereas the AOD-E doesn't.

4R70W ratios are: (1st) 2.84, (2nd) 1.55, (3rd) 1.00, (OD) .7
AODE ratios are: (1st) 2.40, (2nd) 1.40, (3rd) 1.00, (OD) .67

2)The 4R70W has a larger diameter slip yoke on the driveshaft.

3)The 4R70W has a different extension housing.

4)The 4R70W uses better output shaft material.

My car failed the 1-2 band, which is the same for both transmissions. And, I know I'm not putting out over 700ft-lbs of torque. The sudden impact from the stall converter is much higher due to the sudden change in kinetic energy of the converter.

They probably rated the tranny under a load applied slowly.

November 6th, 2006, 12:56 PM	#1
camer Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Clarkston MI Posts: 39	5.0 in V6 I own a 3.8l 2000 mustang. Its a five speed manual. I want to put a 5.0 in it. Will the 5.0 hook up to the v6 five speed manual transmission? th3e 5.0 is a roller cam engine. I really need to knwo cause that is debating weather or not i will be getting a v8 or not in my mustang. Thank you.

November 6th, 2006, 03:36 PM	#5
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,865	The aod cannot. those trannies are very weak- which is why ford upgraded to the 4r70w in the later yrs. __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

November 7th, 2006, 09:20 PM	#8
Pharoh Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 69	im thinking about thisi too i already posted but would i be able to bolt a 5.0 motor and 5spd trans right into the 2000 mustang engine bay. __________________ 2000 Mustang 5 spd. V6

November 7th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#12
ssajdowitz Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Bend, Wisconsin Posts: 141	So, it looks like there are two main improvements. 1)The upgraded overdrive band. 2)The enhanced lockup feature. Sudden lockup will kill transmission quickly. My old AODE lasted only 7k miles with a 3000rpm stall. By installing that, I pretty much eliminated the upgrade. It looks like the best bet is to install an AODE or 4R70W with a stock converter, unless you upgrade the tranny as well. __________________ To the Optimist, the glass is half full. To the Pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

November 7th, 2006, 11:58 PM	#13
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,865	4r70w can withstand 700ft./lbs tq., that is what the 70 stands for. __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

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November 6th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#2
chevy_killer Enthusiast 2009 v6 Mustang Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Winter Haven Florida Posts: 947	do you know what year that 5.0 came out of

November 6th, 2006, 03:31 PM	#3
ssajdowitz Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Bend, Wisconsin Posts: 141	The 3.8 and the 5.0 share the same bolt pattern where the bellhousing hooks up. I know this because I have a flywheel, bellhousing, transmission and clutch from a 5.0 in my 98 3.8. As far as I know, the pattern stayed the same for the split port as did the single port.

November 6th, 2006, 03:34 PM	#4
chevy_killer Enthusiast 2009 v6 Mustang Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Winter Haven Florida Posts: 947	but the thing is can the v6 trani handle a 5.0

November 6th, 2006, 03:51 PM	#6
chevy_killer Enthusiast 2009 v6 Mustang Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Winter Haven Florida Posts: 947	i would get a whole new trani instead of hopeing it would fit or if it would hold up the 5.0 power.....im just trying to save you some heart ache......i can see it now if you put that v6 trany in...you go to punch it and the trany fails and your out a trany...then youll have to take the motor back out and swap the tranys when you could have spent the extra money to get you a new trany

November 6th, 2006, 05:43 PM	#7
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11,840	can you get the 5.0 and the tranny?? or is this a crate engine your looking at

November 7th, 2006, 11:06 PM	#9
Onemanzu ¡ʇsnq ɹo uʍop ǝpısdn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11,840	well the thing is if you get a 5.0 your running it threw the weaker 7.5 rear end... to get a scrapped rear end and install it your self might be worth it ... but then again its all your call... if your car has some crazy sentimental value then go for it IMO sell your car in the paper and buy a GT...

November 7th, 2006, 11:36 PM	#10
ssajdowitz Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Bend, Wisconsin Posts: 141	I'm not sure the AOD is all that weak. The fox body 5.0s ran an AOD. Also, my 89 Thunderbird Supercoupe also has an AOD. My 92 F-150 with a 5.8L uses an A4OD. Is the A4OD similar?

November 8th, 2006, 12:44 AM	#14
ssajdowitz Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Bend, Wisconsin Posts: 141	The AODE and the 4R70W are essentially the same except for this: 1)Gear ratios, the 4R70W has the wide ratio gears whereas the AOD-E doesn't. 4R70W ratios are: (1st) 2.84, (2nd) 1.55, (3rd) 1.00, (OD) .7 AODE ratios are: (1st) 2.40, (2nd) 1.40, (3rd) 1.00, (OD) .67 2)The 4R70W has a larger diameter slip yoke on the driveshaft. 3)The 4R70W has a different extension housing. 4)The 4R70W uses better output shaft material. My car failed the 1-2 band, which is the same for both transmissions. And, I know I'm not putting out over 700ft-lbs of torque. The sudden impact from the stall converter is much higher due to the sudden change in kinetic energy of the converter. They probably rated the tranny under a load applied slowly. __________________ To the Optimist, the glass is half full. To the Pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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