[ByPopularDemand]

So as we all know (stock) mustang suspension sucks. Well recently I came across a new, never installed tein damper kit(front and rear springs/shocks) The problem is they were meant for my cousins lexus sc430. Anyone know if there is any way to get then to work on the stang?

[Stang6899]

Hmm I'm gonna say no. But thats just a guess...

[WLJohnson05]

Originally Posted by ByPopularDemand So as we all know (stock) mustang suspension sucks. Well recently I came across a new, never installed tein damper kit(front and rear springs/shocks) The problem is they were meant for my cousins lexus sc430. Anyone know if there is any way to get then to work on the stang?

answered ur own question

they wouldnt work without modification i dont think

[GreenFaleen]

no way in hell they would work. the lexus are meant for a totally different design of suspension, you couldnt even modify them to work properly

[ByPopularDemand]

Hmm that sucks...now I got more useless crap.

[scubasteve041186]

haha take some pictures i wanna see how they mount and stuff. but i'm doubting they will work. totally different systems usually between manufacturers

[thetrooper31]

while we are on the subject of suspension....would some shocks and struts from a mach 1 work on my car? would it be an upgrade from the suspension i have now.....i know nothing about suspension if u havent noticed

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by thetrooper31 while we are on the subject of suspension....would some shocks and struts from a mach 1 work on my car? would it be an upgrade from the suspension i have now.....i know nothing about suspension if u havent noticed

fit yes

upgrade no

[00vabchgt]

i would say yes on the upgrade. they're made by Tokico, just like the 2001 Bullitt dampers that i have on my car...

[scubasteve041186]

upgrade yes and fit.. they should.. might be a bit tighter cause they're meant for a GT weight.

[Blainestang]

The Mach setup will fit and will be a definite upgrade over stock. Obviously, they're made for the higher-rate springs of the Mach 1, though.

[thetrooper31]

if i were to get them i probably wouldnt put them on until i bought some lowering springs anyway

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by thetrooper31 if i were to get them i probably wouldnt put them on until i bought some lowering springs anyway

then they would help add a little strength, but they are just a heavier shock and strut they arent going help balance you in the curves much better. Id pick up some bilstein's or some koni yellows if you want to feel the difference

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen then they would help add a little strength, but they are just a heavier shock and strut they arent going help balance you in the curves much better. Id pick up some bilstein's or some koni yellows if you want to feel the difference

The Mach dampers are valved specifically for stiffer springs, so that you won't be underdamped when using a ~600lb spring (front) instead of the ~400lb spring (front) that comes stock. While there are better dampers out there, like Tokico D-spec, Konis, Bilsteins, etc, the handling difference with Mach dampers and a matching spring would be more than noticeable.

[GreenFaleen]

yes but they are also manufactured with the heavier v8, a v6 isnt go to have the right weight transfer unless he adds stiffness with subframe connectors or something simlar he is still gonna feel mushy in the turns, unless they were free and he can install them himself upgrading to an aftermarket system would be more viable

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen yes but they are also manufactured with the heavier v8, a v6 isnt go to have the right weight transfer

So, they were originally installed on the Mach or Bullitt with a heavier engine... I don't see your point.

So long as the dampers and springs are well-matched, putting the Mach/Bullitt setup on a lighter vehicle like the V6 will only make the handling improvement GREATER than it was on the V8.

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen unless he adds stiffness with subframe connectors or something simlar he is still gonna feel mushy in the turns

Yeah, SFC's are great, and they eliminate some "mushiness". I don't see, though, how that shows that Mach 1 Tokicos aren't going to show a noticeable improvement but Bilsteins or Konis will.

[scubasteve041186]

huh? the springs are going to be stiff. ....thats all obviously putting something lighter on the spring won't make it flex as much
and the new shocks and struts will take a bit away from it but nothing majour. the spring rate will be pretty low due to the lack of weight.

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by Blainestang So, they were originally installed on the Mach or Bullitt with a heavier engine... I don't see your point. So long as the dampers and springs are well-matched, putting the Mach/Bullitt setup on a lighter vehicle like the V6 will only make the handling improvement GREATER than it was on the V8. Yeah, SFC's are great, and they eliminate some "mushiness". I don't see, though, how that shows that Mach 1 Tokicos aren't going to show a noticeable improvement but Bilsteins or Konis will.

cause struts made for the v6 will equal out his weight transfer better. Im not saying it wont be an upgrade but for what he would pay it wouldnt be a very noticeable difference where the aftermarket v6 system would

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by scubasteve041186 huh? the springs are going to be stiff. ....thats all obviously putting something lighter on the spring won't make it flex as much and the new shocks and struts will take a bit away from it but nothing majour. the spring rate will be pretty low due to the lack of weight.

I'm not sure who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, but spring rate is completely independent of vehicle weight. If you put a spring on an '03 Cobra Vert and then put it on a Foxbody Notchback 4-cylinder, the spring's rate does not change.

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen cause struts made for the v6 will equal out his weight transfer better. Im not saying it wont be an upgrade but for what he would pay it wouldnt be a very noticeable difference where the aftermarket v6 system would

I put Bullitt springs (600lb/in front, 250lb/in rear) with '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts and Bilstein HD Shocks on my 2800lb Fox. It was like a totally different car. The shocks and struts don't care how much your car weighs, they just respond to force inputs. So, the V6 or my Fox have to turn HARDER than a V8 to put the same force into the dampers and springs... that's a GOOD thing. Sure, if you want the V6 to have the EXACT same handling characteristics as a GT, then you'll need less damping and spring rate due to its lighter weight, but why not get BETTER handling than a V8 by using the same stuff because of the lighter weight.

It seems like the suspension companies agree with that sentiment as well, because most (if not all) don't make separate dampers for the V6 and GT... Bilstein, for instance. Why build an inferior system for the V6, when you could just use one for the GT and get better performance.

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by Blainestang I'm not sure who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, but spring rate is completely independent of vehicle weight. If you put a spring on an '03 Cobra Vert and then put it on a Foxbody Notchback 4-cylinder, the spring's rate does not change. I put Bullitt springs (600lb/in front, 250lb/in rear) with '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts and Bilstein HD Shocks on my 2800lb Fox. It was like a totally different car. The shocks and struts don't care how much your car weighs, they just respond to force inputs. So, the V6 or my Fox have to turn HARDER than a V8 to put the same force into the dampers and springs... that's a GOOD thing. Sure, if you want the V6 to have the EXACT same handling characteristics as a GT, then you'll need less damping and spring rate due to its lighter weight, but why not get BETTER handling than a V8 by using the same stuff because of the lighter weight. It seems like the suspension companies agree with that sentiment as well, because most (if not all) don't make separate dampers for the V6 and GT... Bilstein, for instance. Why build an inferior system for the V6, when you could just use one for the GT and get better performance.

comparing a fox to a sn-95 chassis is a big difference, and all the sturt companies I talked to when i was working with my mustangs suspension told me to make sure put I had a v6 when ordering since the struts were lighter.

but the struts will give him a better corner, but he will experience extra body roll with them since they will balance the lighter weight quicker so when he comes out of a turn he is going to over balance a bit. On the street this isnt a big deal, but if your gonna upgrade your suspension spend the money on something that will better all aspects of your turning