Suspension question

October 2nd, 2008, 03:56 PM	#1
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,410	Suspension question So as we all know (stock) mustang suspension sucks. Well recently I came across a new, never installed tein damper kit(front and rear springs/shocks) The problem is they were meant for my cousins lexus sc430. Anyone know if there is any way to get then to work on the stang? __________________ 2000 V6 Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive crank pulley, SCT tune, and a buncha cosmetic mods

October 2nd, 2008, 05:07 PM	#2
Stang6899 Hardcore Enthusiast Modded V6 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mukilteo WA Posts: 1,124	Hmm I'm gonna say no. But thats just a guess... __________________ 1999 v6 5spd- CAI, dual exhaust, spec stage 1 clutch, P&P heads and intakes, aluminum driveshaft, short shifter, 4.10 gears, auburn posi, SCT tuned 2001 SVT Cobra- SLP x-pipe, Borla Catback

October 2nd, 2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ByPopularDemand

So as we all know (stock) mustang suspension sucks. Well recently I came across a new, never installed tein damper kit(front and rear springs/shocks) The problem is they were meant for my cousins lexus sc430. Anyone know if there is any way to get then to work on the stang?

answered ur own question

they wouldnt work without modification i dont think

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October 2nd, 2008, 05:42 PM	#4
GreenFaleen Resident MM Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.9@103/8.9@81 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,388	no way in hell they would work. the lexus are meant for a totally different design of suspension, you couldnt even modify them to work properly __________________ Scion Tc-strup racing header, CAI, Ground Kit, NOS 100shot, Custom suspension, Doc. I 50% STS MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby Thanks To My Sponsors: Strup Performance

October 2nd, 2008, 05:51 PM	#5
ByPopularDemand Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 V6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,410	Hmm that sucks...now I got more useless crap. __________________ 2000 V6 Mac LT headers, Mac O/R H-pipe, Mac CAI, ASP 25% underdrive crank pulley, SCT tune, and a buncha cosmetic mods

October 2nd, 2008, 06:48 PM	#6
scubasteve041186 Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 mustang 40th annv. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: kelowna,BC, Canada Posts: 1,374	haha take some pictures i wanna see how they mount and stuff. but i'm doubting they will work. totally different systems usually between manufacturers

October 2nd, 2008, 07:33 PM	#7
thetrooper31 Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Horsham , Pennsylvania Posts: 1,250	while we are on the subject of suspension....would some shocks and struts from a mach 1 work on my car? would it be an upgrade from the suspension i have now.....i know nothing about suspension if u havent noticed

October 2nd, 2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thetrooper31

while we are on the subject of suspension....would some shocks and struts from a mach 1 work on my car? would it be an upgrade from the suspension i have now.....i know nothing about suspension if u havent noticed

fit yes

upgrade no

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October 2nd, 2008, 08:15 PM

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i would say yes on the upgrade. they're made by Tokico, just like the 2001 Bullitt dampers that i have on my car...

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October 2nd, 2008, 08:28 PM	#10
scubasteve041186 Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 mustang 40th annv. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: kelowna,BC, Canada Posts: 1,374	upgrade yes and fit.. they should.. might be a bit tighter cause they're meant for a GT weight.

October 3rd, 2008, 12:31 AM	#11
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October 3rd, 2008, 12:32 AM	#12
thetrooper31 Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Horsham , Pennsylvania Posts: 1,250	if i were to get them i probably wouldnt put them on until i bought some lowering springs anyway

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Originally Posted by thetrooper31

if i were to get them i probably wouldnt put them on until i bought some lowering springs anyway

then they would help add a little strength, but they are just a heavier shock and strut they arent going help balance you in the curves much better. Id pick up some bilstein's or some koni yellows if you want to feel the difference

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October 3rd, 2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

then they would help add a little strength, but they are just a heavier shock and strut they arent going help balance you in the curves much better. Id pick up some bilstein's or some koni yellows if you want to feel the difference

The Mach dampers are valved specifically for stiffer springs, so that you won't be underdamped when using a ~600lb spring (front) instead of the ~400lb spring (front) that comes stock. While there are better dampers out there, like Tokico D-spec, Konis, Bilsteins, etc, the handling difference with Mach dampers and a matching spring would be more than noticeable.

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October 3rd, 2008, 02:14 PM	#15
GreenFaleen Resident MM Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.9@103/8.9@81 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,388	yes but they are also manufactured with the heavier v8, a v6 isnt go to have the right weight transfer unless he adds stiffness with subframe connectors or something simlar he is still gonna feel mushy in the turns, unless they were free and he can install them himself upgrading to an aftermarket system would be more viable __________________ Scion Tc-strup racing header, CAI, Ground Kit, NOS 100shot, Custom suspension, Doc. I 50% STS MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby Thanks To My Sponsors: Strup Performance

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Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

yes but they are also manufactured with the heavier v8, a v6 isnt go to have the right weight transfer

So, they were originally installed on the Mach or Bullitt with a heavier engine... I don't see your point.

So long as the dampers and springs are well-matched, putting the Mach/Bullitt setup on a lighter vehicle like the V6 will only make the handling improvement GREATER than it was on the V8.

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

unless he adds stiffness with subframe connectors or something simlar he is still gonna feel mushy in the turns

Yeah, SFC's are great, and they eliminate some "mushiness". I don't see, though, how that shows that Mach 1 Tokicos aren't going to show a noticeable improvement but Bilsteins or Konis will.

October 4th, 2008, 03:27 AM	#17
scubasteve041186 Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 mustang 40th annv. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: kelowna,BC, Canada Posts: 1,374	huh? the springs are going to be stiff. ....thats all obviously putting something lighter on the spring won't make it flex as much and the new shocks and struts will take a bit away from it but nothing majour. the spring rate will be pretty low due to the lack of weight.

October 4th, 2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blainestang

So, they were originally installed on the Mach or Bullitt with a heavier engine... I don't see your point.

So long as the dampers and springs are well-matched, putting the Mach/Bullitt setup on a lighter vehicle like the V6 will only make the handling improvement GREATER than it was on the V8.

Yeah, SFC's are great, and they eliminate some "mushiness". I don't see, though, how that shows that Mach 1 Tokicos aren't going to show a noticeable improvement but Bilsteins or Konis will.

cause struts made for the v6 will equal out his weight transfer better. Im not saying it wont be an upgrade but for what he would pay it wouldnt be a very noticeable difference where the aftermarket v6 system would

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Originally Posted by scubasteve041186

huh? the springs are going to be stiff. ....thats all obviously putting something lighter on the spring won't make it flex as much
and the new shocks and struts will take a bit away from it but nothing majour. the spring rate will be pretty low due to the lack of weight.

I'm not sure who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, but spring rate is completely independent of vehicle weight. If you put a spring on an '03 Cobra Vert and then put it on a Foxbody Notchback 4-cylinder, the spring's rate does not change.

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen

cause struts made for the v6 will equal out his weight transfer better. Im not saying it wont be an upgrade but for what he would pay it wouldnt be a very noticeable difference where the aftermarket v6 system would

I put Bullitt springs (600lb/in front, 250lb/in rear) with '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts and Bilstein HD Shocks on my 2800lb Fox. It was like a totally different car. The shocks and struts don't care how much your car weighs, they just respond to force inputs. So, the V6 or my Fox have to turn HARDER than a V8 to put the same force into the dampers and springs... that's a GOOD thing. Sure, if you want the V6 to have the EXACT same handling characteristics as a GT, then you'll need less damping and spring rate due to its lighter weight, but why not get BETTER handling than a V8 by using the same stuff because of the lighter weight.

It seems like the suspension companies agree with that sentiment as well, because most (if not all) don't make separate dampers for the V6 and GT... Bilstein, for instance. Why build an inferior system for the V6, when you could just use one for the GT and get better performance.

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Originally Posted by Blainestang

I'm not sure who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, but spring rate is completely independent of vehicle weight. If you put a spring on an '03 Cobra Vert and then put it on a Foxbody Notchback 4-cylinder, the spring's rate does not change.

I put Bullitt springs (600lb/in front, 250lb/in rear) with '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts and Bilstein HD Shocks on my 2800lb Fox. It was like a totally different car. The shocks and struts don't care how much your car weighs, they just respond to force inputs. So, the V6 or my Fox have to turn HARDER than a V8 to put the same force into the dampers and springs... that's a GOOD thing. Sure, if you want the V6 to have the EXACT same handling characteristics as a GT, then you'll need less damping and spring rate due to its lighter weight, but why not get BETTER handling than a V8 by using the same stuff because of the lighter weight.

It seems like the suspension companies agree with that sentiment as well, because most (if not all) don't make separate dampers for the V6 and GT... Bilstein, for instance. Why build an inferior system for the V6, when you could just use one for the GT and get b