[Onemanzu]

drive off a bridge.

[ReverendDexter]

I'm confused as to why you definitely want a sixxer... the only performance reasons I can think of are overall weight and weight balance, which you could get with an aluminum block V8 (from a Cobra or Lincoln) and make one heck of a lot more power.

If you really want a DOHC RWD six cylinder, why not look at something along the lines of a 300ZX (Z32), Supra, BMW, 350Z, or something like that? Or why not look at importing a Australian Falcon motor (4.0L DOHC I6)?

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter I'm confused as to why you definitely want a sixxer... the only performance reasons I can think of are overall weight and weight balance, which you could get with an aluminum block V8 (from a Cobra or Lincoln) and make one heck of a lot more power. If you really want a DOHC RWD six cylinder, why not look at something along the lines of a 300ZX (Z32), Supra, BMW, 350Z, or something like that? Or why not look at importing a Australian Falcon motor (4.0L DOHC I6)?

cause he wants to put a smaller less supported engine in it.

[itschristorres8]

a 24v DOHC 3.8 would make a LOT more power then a OHV 3.8
but til ford puts out a 3.8 strong enough to handle the power these push rod 3.8s handle stick with the current v6 you have
im making 400rwhp on my set up and others have made much more. 330-350rwhp is a good safe goal though

[YA RLY]

4.2 Ftw.

[Merlyn]

the main problem with me getting a probe and most japanese imports is that im over 6 feet tall and can only fit in my thunderbird with the seat all the way back and even then my head nearly brushes the roof. trust me i've tried similar sized cars such as an RX-7 and i could barely work the clutch...and in my brother's zx2 my head does hit the roof and i even have to cock it to the side.

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter I'm confused as to why you definitely want a sixxer... the only performance reasons I can think of are overall weight and weight balance, which you could get with an aluminum block V8 (from a Cobra or Lincoln) and make one heck of a lot more power. If you really want a DOHC RWD six cylinder, why not look at something along the lines of a 300ZX (Z32), Supra, BMW, 350Z, or something like that? Or why not look at importing a Australian Falcon motor (4.0L DOHC I6)?

you say that, but i haven't seen one of those out hp per pound of boost a 4.2L mustang v6.

17psi single turbo making 660rwhp and a twin turbo making 611rwhp with 16psi on 93oct. the 4.2L built is a beast. and these numbers are mostly with ported stock heads and intake. the 660rwhp was with a sheet metal intake though. the 611rwhp was with ported heads and intake.

IMO the v6 mustang deserves to be with those mentioned and in the future will be. all these are with stock block. aftermarket block isnt needed yet cause we really haven't found the breaking point of this one.

[Avaric3]

Originally Posted by JTS just get an ls1

couldnt agree wit you more

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by Avaric3 couldnt agree wit you more

i can't disagree either. LSx motors are amazing.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Merlyn the main problem with me getting a probe and most japanese imports is that im over 6 feet tall and can only fit in my thunderbird with the seat all the way back and even then my head nearly brushes the roof. trust me i've tried similar sized cars such as an RX-7 and i could barely work the clutch...and in my brother's zx2 my head does hit the roof and i even have to cock it to the side.

That's weird. I've got a friend who's 6'7" and over 300lbs, and the car he says he fit best in was an early (RWD) 200SX, followed by a 1st-gen RX-7.

[Prankster]

I have a 99 Taurus Station wagon with the 24 valve DOHC engine.
It is nice, but it is no race car. It eats much more gas than the 3.8 engine that is in my Mustang, and I don't see that it has any more power.

It is much slower to warm up, and it feels to be much heavier.
If this is your dream, I think it might be better to hop up a Taurus, and build it up to the max. Then, if it is everything you ever wanted, it's time to transplant it into a Mustang.

Remember it will cost you around $3000 to follow your dream so if your pockets are deep enough, go for it!

As for Me, I would rather have a Sho Pony!

Originally Posted by Merlyn i was thinking like a DOHC out of a Taurus SES or something like that

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by stangcharger you say that, but i haven't seen one of those out hp per pound of boost a 4.2L mustang v6.

Well, of course not. Look at the metric you're using: "hp per pound of boost". Being that boost is effectively a multiplier of N/A power, the bigger motor you start with, the more power you're gonna get from the same amount of boost. 4.2L is HUGE for a performance six-cylinder motor, most of these other cars are around 3.0L. Also, boost equalizes for bad cylinder head flow, so there's not quite the advantage from DOHC on a boosted motor.

Originally Posted by stangcharger 17psi single turbo making 660rwhp and a twin turbo making 611rwhp with 16psi on 93oct. the 4.2L built is a beast. and these numbers are mostly with ported stock heads and intake. the 660rwhp was with a sheet metal intake though. the 611rwhp was with ported heads and intake.

Okay, so you can make over 650whp with a built and boosted ford sixxer. How many 600hp Ford V6s are out there? I wager not that many. I've seen 600+ hp turbo 2.3s (Esslinger has one that was pushing 900hp with nitrous in a sandrail), as well as 600+hp Toyota 2.0L turbo motors. (3S-GTEs and 4T-GTEs).

Originally Posted by stangcharger IMO the v6 mustang deserves to be with those mentioned and in the future will be. all these are with stock block. aftermarket block isnt needed yet cause we really haven't found the breaking point of this one.

Who said anything about an aftermarket block? I still say the Mustang V6 is a horrible motor.; there are just too many better motors out there. How much time and effort needs to be put into it just to *match* the performance of the stock GT motor? A tweaked japanese turbo 2 liter? A stock LS1? So far, there's only 2 people on this board (that I'm aware of) with built turbo Mustang V6s, one's running around 420whp, and the other busted his motor.

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that there's a good reason that not many people do it. If you've got the time, money, skill, and motivation to build a 400+hp sixxer, props to you. I still think you would've saved yourself a lot of headache to swap something else in.

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter So far, there's only 2 people on this board (that I'm aware of) with built turbo Mustang V6s, one's running around 420whp, and the other busted his motor.

4 - Woody, Chris, Steven (haven't heard from him in a long time, supposedly got his car impounded), Rydog (sold his turbo to woody)

the kid with a busted motor has a supercharger, unless their is someone else I don't know about.

now there is a large handful of people with SC's on there car but thats not the topic at hand right now

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Well, of course not. Look at the metric you're using: "hp per pound of boost". Being that boost is effectively a multiplier of N/A power, the bigger motor you start with, the more power you're gonna get from the same amount of boost. 4.2L is HUGE for a performance six-cylinder motor, most of these other cars are around 3.0L. Also, boost equalizes for bad cylinder head flow, so there's not quite the advantage from DOHC on a boosted motor. Okay, so you can make over 650whp with a built and boosted ford sixxer. How many 600hp Ford V6s are out there? I wager not that many. I've seen 600+ hp turbo 2.3s (Esslinger has one that was pushing 900hp with nitrous in a sandrail), as well as 600+hp Toyota 2.0L turbo motors. (3S-GTEs and 4T-GTEs). Who said anything about an aftermarket block? I still say the Mustang V6 is a horrible motor.; there are just too many better motors out there. How much time and effort needs to be put into it just to *match* the performance of the stock GT motor? A tweaked japanese turbo 2 liter? A stock LS1? So far, there's only 2 people on this board (that I'm aware of) with built turbo Mustang V6s, one's running around 420whp, and the other busted his motor. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that there's a good reason that not many people do it. If you've got the time, money, skill, and motivation to build a 400+hp sixxer, props to you. I still think you would've saved yourself a lot of headache to swap something else in.

its soo much easier to get a 572 or 600+ cube motor and make power then a 2.0, 2.3, 3.8, 4.6, 5.0,5.7,5.8 and other motors
maybe we can all do that! right follow your path of the easy way

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 its soo much easier to get a 572 or 600+ cube motor and make power then a 2.0, 2.3, 3.8, 4.6, 5.0,5.7,5.8 and other motors maybe we can all do that! right follow your path of the easy way

No, I said it's easier to make power out of many other motors, including a good amount of smaller ones; and that I'm not impressed just because an example of a said motor exists that's pushing 600hp.

[stangcharger]

[QUOTE=ReverendDexter;1639810]Well, of course not. Look at the metric you're using: "hp per pound of boost". Being that boost is effectively a multiplier of N/A power, the bigger motor you start with, the more power you're gonna get from the same amount of boost. 4.2L is HUGE for a performance six-cylinder motor, most of these other cars are around 3.0L. Also, boost equalizes for bad cylinder head flow, so there's not quite the advantage from DOHC on a boosted motor.

Ok how about a GN? almost the same cubic inches starting out. yet takes alot more boost to get there. but yet they are praised because they have had more time to be develope performance wise.


Okay, so you can make over 650whp with a built and boosted ford sixxer. How many 600hp Ford V6s are out there? I wager not that many. I've seen 600+ hp turbo 2.3s (Esslinger has one that was pushing 900hp with nitrous in a sandrail), as well as 600+hp Toyota 2.0L turbo motors. (3S-GTEs and 4T-GTEs).

Actually my point was 660rwhp @ 17psi. the boost of which the horsepower is made is what is impressive. and i garantee it is less money to make 600rwhp on the 3.8L than those 2.0L you talk about. and they prolly need 20+psi.


Who said anything about an aftermarket block? I still say the Mustang V6 is a horrible motor.; there are just too many better motors out there. How much time and effort needs to be put into it just to *match* the performance of the stock GT motor? A tweaked japanese turbo 2 liter? A stock LS1? So far, there's only 2 people on this board (that I'm aware of) with built turbo Mustang V6s, one's running around 420whp, and the other busted his motor.

Busted his completely stock bottom end at 430+rwhp. the 4.6L 2v wont hold there either. nor will alot of motors.

and your talking N/A? funny how the Jap cars you mentioned cant do it N/A either. not to mention the fastest N/A 4.2L ran 11.8@110mph. not to shabby.

and by calling it a hoorible motor you obviously know nothing. holding close to 700rwhp on a stock block isnt impressive?

and bolt-on stock motors with a turbo are getting 400rwhp pretty easy now days. that's an 11sec capable car with little done.

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that there's a good reason that not many people do it. If you've got the time, money, skill, and motivation to build a 400+hp sixxer, props to you. I still think you would've saved yourself a lot of headache to swap something else in.

Actually the numbers are growing by tons and tons. people are figuring out the potential behind this motor, and behind the 4.0L.

HPP on a stock 4.0L motor added their single turbo kit and with 9psi made 378rwhp and like 400rwtq.

read some of J's posts on v6power. he used to have a 96-98 cobra with a turbo on it and now he has a 611rwhp 4.2L v6 twin turbo. he explains how it wasnt any harder getting there because all the same things had to be done to hold the power anyway.

-built motor
-tranny
-fuel system
-rear end

you name it both had to have them done.

[stangcharger]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter No, I said it's easier to make power out of many other motors, including a good amount of smaller ones; and that I'm not impressed just because an example of a said motor exists that's pushing 600hp.

actually 3 are over 600rwhp. 611rwhp, 638rwhp, 660rwhp.

and the 638rwhp one went 9.8@138mph.

[itschristorres8]

lol a honda or any 4cylinder will need about 25-30+psi to be in the 600whp range