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Little Red Beater Stang

New to this forum. Been driving around/ playing with a '93 LX 2.3 Hatchback for a few years now. I've set it on fire, grenaded a few transmissions (understatement), drifted it, slid it in every direction possible, bounced it up a few feet in the air...You name it, this thing has probably been through it. A few transmissions, bent rears, and bent wheels later, she's still kicking. You'll hear plenty about it later on, but until then, here's the little beast.

http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...hotos/Mustang/

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post #2 of 48 Old September 6th, 2012, 08:19 AM
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My daily beater is a coupe the same color(well before you painted it, lol), same faded bright red, but mine's a coupe and a 5 speed. You rebuilt the engine and swapped cams I'm assuming?

92 coupe, pictured^, coyote power with turbo.
93 coupe, 2.3 turbo 5spd
93 calypso no option coupe, 94 GT, 90 Coupe, 82 coupe, 12 5.0 6spd, 14 gthig gt auto.
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Nope. Somehow haven't rebuilt the motor yet. Got a 2.3 turbo motor and a ranger 2.5 in the works, don't have money to finish building either. Just shaved .060" off a head with the stock roller cam to bring the compression back up.

Trans is an A4LD out of an explorer, then swapped the 3 gear aluminium planetaries out for 6 gear steel (after I sheared one in half after putting only 200 miles on a fresh rebuild)

Bent the 7.5 rear, swapped in an 8.8 with 2.73s I had sitting around the garage. Smashed up my rare pininfarina wheels (only 14x7) and got a set of ponies (16x8). Swapped the spaceship altezza tailights it came with back to stock. And I didn't paint it...just spent a week rubbing it down with compounds and polishes and a lot of elbow grease. Paint ain't in the budget. I ended up spraypainting it later on lol
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Cool! Sounds like my budget too! Wife drives the 2012, I get the 93, lol. I would like to see if the paint would come back with some buffing, I doubt it, but you just never know. What all was involved with the cam swap? What year head did you have and what year roller did you use? I believe my 93 is a roller already, but haven't had the valve cover off yet. That'll come soon enough.

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93 coupe, 2.3 turbo 5spd
93 calypso no option coupe, 94 GT, 90 Coupe, 82 coupe, 12 5.0 6spd, 14 gthig gt auto.
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The '93s come with the roller cam commonly known as the 'ranger roller cam'

Swapping the cam is very easy. Especially if you already have the head off to be shaved. 2 phillips head screws in the back to take off the locking plate, then I smacked it forward with a hammer. The rockers popped off to the side, slide them out as they come off and keep going. Correct way is to get a valve spring compressor and pop all the rockers out, or get a BFS (big _____ screwdriver) and pry down the valve spring against the cam itself to pop them out. Likewise for re-installing it. If you'd like, I have a spare '93 head, fully assembled, sitting in my shop. I could make a walkthrough for you if you'd like.

I'm looking at shaving a '99 2.5 head or just using the cam out of it. I need to take some extra measurements but I believe it'd work. But I believe the 2.5's head flows a little better, so I'll probably end up going with that and shaving .060"-.100" off of the bottom.

If you ever need parts for yours, I have a ton of spare parts, hookups to get new ones at discounts, and I can find anything in junkyards. I'll also donate some spare knowledge your way too.

As for your paint, have you tried compound? I found a good working over with some compound made a big difference. If you don't have alot of experience with compounding, Meguiars makes a great product called Ultimate Compound. I've spent some time working as a dealership detailer and a bottle of that stuff sitting around has gotten me out of some binds. Just put some on a microfiber cloth, work it in in a circluar motion, with firm pressure. I like starting with the hood. Do it in small patches at a time. I've never seen the ultimate compound cut all the way through the paint, so you don't have to worry about that either. Just go to town with it. I was impressed with how well it came out. Also, when it looks like absolute garbage to begin with, anything is better. At least that's what I was thinking when I spraybombed the car LOL
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Went to the junkyard today, found an '89 XR4Ti!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...B46137E38E.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...B46D4F2F61.jpg

And an hour or 2 later, this happened.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...B47E9297B5.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...B48AE92A4A.jpg

I was going in to pull another 2.5, found something a little better. Looks like I'll be getting to my turbo build sooner than I thought!
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That looked like a nice car, I wonder why it wound up in the yard? So what do you plan on doing with the motor? I'm guessing that you're going to tear it down first.


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Yeah, it was VERY clean. Even the leather interior looked damn good. Body was straight, paint was nice. I would love to have just driven it right out of there. I'm going to clean it up, use my roller cam out of my spare '93 head, maybe a simple valve job. Might port the e6 myself (only a little bit) and clean up/gut the intake. Make a spacer to raise the upper intake enough to get my other valve cover on there (the one that says ford fuel injection turbo) and get a stock TC top end intercooler. Might get the garrett T3 off an SVO, or might just start with the IHI thats on there. Pulled the rubber intake tube off of the turbo inlet, tried to feel for shaft play, it didn't move at all. Might be doing it wrong, this is the first time I've ever played with a turbo.

Already have a rebuilt bottom end for it, stock turbocoupe rods and pistons. Can I swap the 5.2 turbo rods for some N/A 5.5 rods, or will it hit? I know there's some room to do a long rod setup in there. My guess is it didn't start and they just got tired of it, looked like original starter vintage 1989. Might find another story when I start tearing into it, maybe a blown head gasket or something. It really is a damn shame, it was a very nice clean car. I would love to have had it.

Eventually, I hope to have a compound s/c and turbo setup with a big FMIC, BoPort or custom cam, maybe a boport head or a folvo head with some stroke. Might also use a rx7 throttle body for smooth accell, or just sn95 5.0 TB for high flow.
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Whew. Everyone I know with a truck was either broken down, at school, or at work, so the 4bangstang took one for the team. Took the carpet out, took the spare out, and sat the engine right in there lmao. Getting her back out was the hard part. Me and 2 guys working at the junkyard got it in there, but I only had 1 helper getting it back out (which it turns out is alot harder anyway). All said and done, I got it out and in the shop. Out of 4-5 engine stands, they're all occupied with v8s, so I just sat it on a wheel dolly lol. Can't wait to start cleaning her up, I have a feeling I'm going to absolutely love this engine. I'll try to get some pics up of the excursion soon, they're worth seeing
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Make a spacer to raise the upper intake enough to get my other valve cover on there.


I'm pretty sure (99%) that the upper intake will fit, try it first. Also, I think you would be much happier with a front mount IC. Just getting it away from the exhaust heat, makes a big difference.

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Might get the garrett T3 off an SVO



That should all ready have the Garret t-3 on it as well, looks like it from the pictures.



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Can I swap the 5.2 turbo rods for some N/A 5.5 rods, or will it hit?

Yeah, but you would need new pistons to use the rods from the 2.5L.

Did you grab the VAM for that. Even though it's the small one, the circuit board inside might still be good and they are getting harder to find these days.

What color injectors did that come with?




Merkur's are getting hard to find these days, it really pains me to see one go away like this. Still that was a good find for you, especially if the head isn't cracked.


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That lil red "beater" is a pretty good looking car man!
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What about the rods from the N/A 2.3? And I'm fairly sure the turbo is an IHI. Has AiResearch on the side, not garrett. And those come with the red tops. Are you sure it's a small VAM? I snagged it assuming big vam after '87, haven't gotten a chance to measure it yet.

The upper on this is the shorter '87-'88 TC style one. To use the SVO style valve cover I need to use a spacer or get the taller SVO upper. 99% sure on that one, and I've been researching this swap very thoroughly for years.

One of you guys should do me a favor and save an '87 XR4Ti out of wisconsin. 2x,xxx miles on it, 8k on the engine, only asking $2200. Its still on the road, it can still be saved. Even the wheels on the one I found on the junkyard have no curb rash. Incredibly straight car, you just don't see those anymore. It sucks pretty bad, but I won't let it's sacrifice be in vain. I took the motor, VAM, ECU, parts of the wire harness, considering going back for the wheels and nice black leather backseat. The downpipe was rusty but still intact so I might pick that up and clean it up as well.

Also, I know I want a FMIC. I can get a volvo FMIC on the cheap, but I'd like to get a big one to start off with since it's kind of a pain in the ass to put them up there. And bigs ones aren't cheap. I can get the TC top end intercooler in great shape for like $25.
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Made a quick walkthrough for the 2.3 cam. Filming with one hand=working with one hand=not so easy lol

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...1F575F5688.mp4

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...238753CE06.mp4

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...250067324D.mp4

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...313AEB2C50.mp4

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...36D85B4E63.mp4

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...3CFEC18726.mp4

Sorry about the quality, eventually I'll set up a camera stand and use both hands, then I'll be able to do it the more uh, CORRECT way, but until then, I think you get the idea. Didn't get a chance to finish making the last part (installing the rockers) because I did it in my break between classes. I'll get to it eventually.
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Here are some pics from the engines ride home lol

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...4EDEBCD18A.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...4F0204CA87.jpg

Also, meet the cars drivers side...aka project spraybomb
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What about the rods from the N/A 2.3? And I'm fairly sure the turbo is an IHI. Has AiResearch on the side, not garrett. And those come with the red tops. Are you sure it's a small VAM? I snagged it assuming big vam after '87, haven't gotten a chance to measure it yet.


What do you need to do with your rods?

That car looks and sounds really clean, if there's nothing wrong with the bottom end, I wouldn't mess with it, other than honing the cylinder bores and swapping bearings and rings, gaskets. It will be fine for your short term power goals.

All Merkur XR4ti’s that I’m aware of, came from the factory with Garrett/AiResearch T-3 turbo’s. Garrett/AiResearch is owned by the aerospace company “AlliedSignal” If it helps you sleep at night, I will search through my pile of old turbo parts and see if I can find you an inlet housing that say’s Garrett on the front, but it won’t make your car run any better. Again what color are the fuel injectors? red not brown? What box code is on the ECU?



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Are you sure it's a small VAM?

I am pretty darn sure it will be, but don’t you have a ľ Horse? If so, go pick up a 3 bar MAP and ditch the VAM.


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Red injectors. And I forgot AiResearch was with AlliedSignal/ Honeywell! *facepalm*

No to the 1/4 horse.

I'll get the code off of the ECU, but I don't think I'll be using it. I'll most likely get a TC LB3 to start with, the XR4Ti ECUs aren't really well documented as far as wiring and such with the pins. I know the TC ECUs are pretty well documented so i'd rather not play with it. Just get a big vam off of the same '87 automatic TC I get the LB3 out of and I'll be good to go.
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So, I found a '90 2.3 5speed in the junkyard today.

Step 1: Drop the driveshaft.
Step 2: Drop the trans.
Step 3: Don't be a baby. Flip the engine over and stop playing games with the clutch.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...1412DF79DF.jpg

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Just realized you guys haven't seen the '87, so here are some teasers. It's slightly more intact nowadays.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...2_563882_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._4038712_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._3286778_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._1731701_n.jpg

Still slowly plowing along, cleaning up the 2.3 turbo motor for the '93. Considering documenting the whole swap on video, or at least heavy with pics.
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And slightly more intact. More still to come.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...56096761_n.jpg
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Put up a handful of pics on that photobucket album listed in the first post
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