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post #1 of 20 Old February 4th, 2015, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
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SVO 5spd into a 2.3N/A

I'm going to get rid of the AL4D for a 5spd but keeping my 3.73's . Typical T5 for a 2.3 has 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 with a .79 od . The SVO has a smaller first gear and less of a drop going into 2nd gear with a .78 od . 85-86 SVO 3.50 2.14 1.39 1.00 0.78
I think the SVO trans would match the rear gears better but still pull better than the auto I have now.
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post #2 of 20 Old February 5th, 2015, 08:32 AM
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Good choice if you can find one at a good price.

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There is one not too far from me . That's why I was asking . I did not think I would find one but it just popped up for $200 . Well far enough that I can get my wife to take a couple days away and make it a weekend . That way I get my 5spd and she gets to be with me .LOL
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If you're going to the trouble of swapping to the 5 speed, you might want to find a 91'-96' Escort 1.9L flywheel as well. It's much lighter than the Mustang one 16.5 lbs. vs 19.75 lb.s and is essentially a bolt in, except for the bolts. The stock Mustang Flywheel bolts need to be shortened roughly .200” in order to work or use your flex plate bolts. Either way use blue loctite to secure them.

Use Timken # 614037 throw out bearing for a 70's model straight 6 cylinder chevy truck in place of the stock one.

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Lol, the flywheel trick is news to me! Why have I never heard of it?! We usually just have our stock ones shaved to the bolt heads.

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There is one not too far from me . That's why I was asking . I did not think I would find one but it just popped up for $200 . Well far enough that I can get my wife to take a couple days away and make it a weekend . That way I get my 5spd and she gets to be with me .LOL
Any time you can combine family time and car parts its a win win situation.

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For some reason my Wife likes rummaging through U-Pull's so we often hit the yards on the way back from short vacations .

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If you're going to the trouble of swapping to the 5 speed, you might want to find a 91'-96' Escort 1.9L flywheel as well. It's much lighter than the Mustang one 16.5 lbs. vs 19.75 lb.s and is essentially a bolt in, except for the bolts. The stock Mustang Flywheel bolts need to be shortened roughly .200” in order to work or use your flex plate bolts. Either way use blue loctite to secure them.
Thanks for the great tip on this one . I looked up using an aluminum flywheel and found out it was a no-no. What's the benifit of the Escort piece ? Does it allow the eng to build revs faster ?

Escort flywheels are all over ebay Clutch Flywheel Sachs NFW1105 | eBay

Trow out bearing I'm guessing is just beefier ?

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Yes, its lighter, so it spins up faster. I imagine the flywheel is actually thinner, and the throw out bearing is longer.
Sounds like you have a heck of a keeper, most times I can't get my lady out in the garage.

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Sounds like you have a heck of a keeper, most times I can't get my lady out in the garage.
Put a lounger, TV and some nice curtains in there .
I have to throw mine out of the storage room to keep her from finding the stash of Jeep parts I've been hoarding or she puts them on EBAY ! She says the money is my car money but women's shoes keep showing up and they hurt feet .

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I ordered the Escort flywheel $50 and the Timken bearing $28 . Bellhousing off of EBAY with the fork and dust boot (if it's still good) . Are the 5.0 and 2.3 cross member's the same ? I'll have to look on CL for the pedals . They come up here and there for around $50 . Too cold to scrounge through the u pull right now . I need the dust shield for a 91-93 and a clutch . What clutch should I get . Also what to do about the neutral safety sw . Is there a safety sw for the m/t or a back up light switch .

I'd like to get an aluminum driveshaft as well . Mustang 5.0 or Aero AWD van ? Someone on CL is selling a Fox 5.0 one for $100 .

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I'd like to get an aluminum drive-shaft as well.
The 4X4 Aerostar is the closest in length. As I recall, you need to use the T-5 Yoke with it. Can't recall if the 5.0L shaft is the same length, but I think it is. I can measure the shaft length of one of my cars if needed.

The back up light switch should likely still be plugged into your T-5 trans; the one in the middle of the case on the left hand side should be the backup light and the neutral safety should be on the top cover.

Unless you have a beast of an engine, a stock replacement clutch should suffice, just make sure that you get a new, not re-manufactured pressure plate. Also make sure you re-surface the flywheel and "DO NOT" over adjust the clutch, meaning; if the clutch pedal disengages early at the top of the pedal travel, it will ruin the pressure plate in a hurry. You want it to dis-engage about half way down. In time you might find this annoying; it's possible to adapt a hydraulic release bearing, which really tightens up the actuation.


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The flywheel is new, not used . I'm not planning any high perf or higher compression . I was asking about the clutch in terms of brand or type . I may have worded the back up light question incorrectly . The auto has a lock out on the shifter so it isn't in gear when you stat it . When I added cc and tilt to my Jeep I had to get a column out of a manual Jeep because my parts car had an auto one and it was a pain keeping it locked .

The clutch in my Jeep is a Centerforce and it has been in there for the past 15 years . The oem one it replaced had 154k miles when the throw out bearing went . The clutch was still useable . Jeep forums swear by Luk brand but not the throw out bearing . I did order the throw out bearing you had suggested so no problems there . Very little offroad but I pull a trailer from time to time .

Were you suggesting South Bend Clutch for $388 ? Sounds a little pricy for stock .

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Sorry OHC230 . When I first read your last post it had "stock replacement clutch " in bold and it opened a site with a stock clutch for $388 .

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LUK clutches have been pretty reliable for my customers, I'm sure that will work well for you.

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I'm not planning any high perf or higher compression.

I would still consider it, increasing the compression is a very worthwhile mod on the 2.3 and helps MPG as well as HP, I'd keep it in mind along with the move to 4 hole injectors. Overall drivability is noticeably better with these 2 things, especially if you've all ready improved the exhaust system.


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O.K. so UPS dropped off the bell housing w/fork, flywheel and throw-out bearing today . I ordered the UPR 79-95 Clutch Cable Quick Release Quadrant & Firewall Adjust 3pc Kit
( 290900411871 ) & LUK clutch kit but will not be using it's plastic throw-out bearing .

Does the 2.3 have a dust shield for the bellhousing ?

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I never mentioned any 4 hole injectors . Although I did get a set of flow matched 2000up Ford Focus 17lb injectors . Gonna swap them out and do a tune up . Very, very, very cold right now.

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Because your engine is also a 1992 engine, you will need the bellhousing and starter adapter plate that are specific to the 1991-1993 engines. I found this out the hard way when I got all of my parts from a 1990 Mustang and found that the adapter plate prevented the bellhousing from mating up properly against the aluminum oil pan design on my 1993 engine. The stamped steel oil pan on the 87-90 engines will not mate up to a 91-93 starter plate and bellhousing.
How correct is this ? I thought all the bellhousings would be the same. I can see the that the shield could be different .

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The dust plates are slightly different, but I don't know that one wont work, the bellhousings are the same, no difference, unless you want the extra bolts that go into the bottom of the oil pan, I don't use mine.

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Wow, I cant believe it's been 2 1/2 years since I started this. Had all the parts just sitting and I'am just getting back to getting this car back on the road. For some reason the throw out bearing does not fit the clutch fork and the stock one is way too short to engage. Any thoughts or ideas?
At least I finished my 92 Tbird.

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Depending on where you sourced the parts from, you might be mixing and matching parts from different applications, which would create the issue your having. What part number throw-out bearing are you using?


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I was sent the wrong one the first time but then double checked your post and ordered the one you suggested.
"Use Timken # 614037 throw out bearing for a 70's model straight 6 cylinder chevy truck in place of the stock one. "

I'm not doing the swap so I'll have to stop by and check the new throw out bearing again.
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I stopped by the shop and was told the throw out bearing wouldn't slide onto the trans. Aren't the SVO and regular 2.3 T5's all the same? Driving me crazy now, just want to get it back on the road.
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Wow, haven't even looked on here since July 2017. The car is running, mostly just use it for going to work work one or two days a week. Slow, but runs and gets much better mpg's. Thanks to everyone's input.
Now to put the console and radio back in. Yes, no console or radio. Now on to the suspension before the fall sets in.

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