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post #1301 of 1312 Old November 4th, 2018, 08:18 PM
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post #1302 of 1312 Old December 16th, 2018, 07:10 PM Thread Starter
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Got a little bit of work done today. Got the battery disconnect installed on the rear. I can even remove the push/pull rod and you wouldn't even know it had one.



Now going forward is a bit murky. As you may know, SCT got hit with a big lawsuit courtesy of our tree hugging friends over at the EPA. In turn, it looks like we're going to lose emissions impacting functionality with their software, making it pretty fucking useless for tuning. So now I'm at a crossroads. I've got two main options, and several sub options from there. Do I stick with the EEC-V, or go to a standalone? If I stay EEC-V, what software? HP Tuners is really nice, but if I was a betting man I'd say they're probably next in the EPA's crosshairs. Quarterhorse would let me keep on trucking with my current tune. If I went standalone, I'd have to start from scratch, but would have more capability. It would be a royal pain in the ass to have to rewire the car, not to mention plunk down a couple grand and have to start over. I do like MSIII, and I've got to say the Holley setup y2k is running is pretty damn trick. Currently I'm leaning the QH route.

It's still the off season though. I feel guilty not paying the car as much attention as I could. I've got the Fox to toy with with a new drivetrain, and a Cutlass that needs the entire rear replaced with new sheet metal. But I'd like to put a new fuel system in the dumpsterfire so I can turn up the wick to 25psi. I've already got the main hardware pieces short of injectors and rails. I'm looking at the Deatschwerks 95lb/hr or 1200cc/min, or the Injector Dynamics 1050x or 1300s.

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From my understanding the lawsuit has disallowed SCT end users to adjust EPA parameters on the handheld themselves, but I am not sue if it effects pro racer or professional tuner capabilities to change emissions things.


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post #1304 of 1312 Old December 19th, 2018, 08:11 AM Thread Starter
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Aside from spark timing, there's not much on the handheld that will impact emissions.

Based on what I saw in the email they sent me, they're going to be classifying people into three tiers. Two of them will not have the ability to impact emissions (read: fuck all for things you can actually tune), and the third will, but it's classified as for those in research and development and has language around not for street use vehicles. I highly suspect the vast majority of users will fall in tiers 1+2, which will mean pretty much no functionality beyond what you get in a handheld, if not less. Just tire size, gear ratios, shift points, etc...

But I still have to take their assigned training and fill out a bunch of paperwork so we shall see. I'm pretty resigned to the fact I'll have to move to a new software.
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From my understanding the lawsuit has disallowed SCT end users to adjust EPA parameters on the handheld themselves, but I am not sue if it effects pro racer or professional tuner capabilities to change emissions things.
This is interesting as I didn't know about this! I am extremely curious how this will affect us. I have long tubes with a catted H pipe. While I run cats I know it isn't legal. I wonder how this will affect companies such as vortech, kenne bell, ect for guys that need tuning after an install. I'm assuming guys would need to get a cleaner tune, which may result in a loss of power to do it, while running MIL since the tuner can no longer shut it off legally.

Now what about guys that track race? That was always the loop hole.

While I'm not a tree hugger I do get why this was done. Ever been behind a Honda or in any car really? It's rough. My car was so rough that I got tired of smelling like fuel after driving it hence why I got the cats welded in. I am actually glad I did because the cats killed the blat sound stingers and H pipes are known for, killed sound by maybe 5 percent, all while smelling fine when I get out. I will say I went with magnaflow 59956 or 2.5 high flow metallic spun cats. Anything bigger I would imagine would kill sound much more. These are only 200 cell cats and very very small but enough to achieve my two goals. I digress

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But the population of tuned cars is so small this seems like a pretty small drop in the bucket. I've got older catless vehicles and yes they pollute more, but it's asinine to ban them from the road given how few of them there are, and how little they run.

Keep in mind that just because you throw cats on it or something doesn't mean that the EPA is going to be happy. The most miniscule change has to get scrutinized by them. That's why this sort of thing really crushes any small tuners, because almost everything impacts emissions. The only way to verify that it doesn't is to spend hundreds of thousands and often millions running duty cycles on in an emissions cell to confirm it, so the easy answer is just lock it down, no changes for anyone.

Really the CARB compliant stuff is the only stuff out there that meets the letter of the law, and we see how little there is in the way of that.

SCT isn't the first to get smacked down like this, and they sure won't be the last.
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Shit's still too cold to get much done.

Got some minor work done. Put on a set of quik-latches on the side of the bumper so I can remove it in a matter of seconds, because god knows that I'll take it off and on enough times. Shoutout to y2k02 for that tip. I retained the original studs on the bumper for alignment, and drilled an additional set of holes through them and the bumper to hold it in place.

Put on a set of hoodpins. All black hardware. Now if you're like me, you'll quickly realize that the standard 4" hood pin kit isn't long enough for your fuckin hood. Just great, right? The only option longer than it is a chrome cotter pin kit from Moroso, and I'm not a fan of the look. But my dumb ass stumbled upon something great. Allstar makes a set of hood pin extensions, P/N ALL18524 for the 1 3/4" ones that work pretty nicely.

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AWAKEN. AWAKEN.


The dumpsterfire awakens from its winter slumber.

Prepared everything for some datalogging tomorrow. Fresh tune with some tweaks to driveability loaded, new datalogging file to watch dashpot and idle behavior. Checked all the fluids. I expected it to be low on some, especially given I saw a puddle under it earlier. Opened the intercooler filler. Spilled everywhere. Guess it was full. Cracked open the crossover fill. Still held pressure from damn near 6 months ago! Fuel pressure is good. Electrical works.

Tomorrow is for datalogging. If/when I'm happy with the tip out and return to idle behavior, next big step is upping the fuel system to the 25psi capable one. Sumped tank, fuelab external pump, deadhead return system, all new lines, 95 lb/hr injectors. Then we can see what KILL MODE is like.

Minor project: Making a sight glass for the intercooler reservoir during the week.

Let's hope weather cooperates.
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AWAKEN. AWAKEN.

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The dumpsterfire awakens from its winter slumber.

Prepared everything for some datalogging tomorrow. Fresh tune with some tweaks to driveability loaded, new datalogging file to watch dashpot and idle behavior. Checked all the fluids. I expected it to be low on some, especially given I saw a puddle under it earlier. Opened the intercooler filler. Spilled everywhere. Guess it was full. Cracked open the crossover fill. Still held pressure from damn near 6 months ago! Fuel pressure is good. Electrical works.

Tomorrow is for datalogging. If/when I'm happy with the tip out and return to idle behavior, next big step is upping the fuel system to the 25psi capable one. Sumped tank, fuelab external pump, deadhead return system, all new lines, 95 lb/hr injectors. Then we can see what KILL MODE is like.

Minor project: Making a sight glass for the intercooler reservoir during the week.

Let's hope weather cooperates.
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Weather cooperated. Mostly. Only got a short run before rain set in, but I got it out. Got the data I was looking for, despite Livelink malfunctioning at every turn it seemed like. Not perfect but it's doing what I expect. It transitions to the "idle" portion of the idle speed mode sooner when coming to a stop, rather than remaining in "dashpot" mode. What I didn't expect is that it still has dashpot control, but with idle feedback. Kind of strange, but that's how Ford programmed it. Basically I just need to crank down the dashpot decay rate in the region I got data for...a lot. I've already reduced it to a fraction of what the base calibration for a 2V is (CVAF1), and it needs to be lower. From what I've heard this is expected, and given how little rotational inertia it has, it isn't a surprise either.

Now once you have a stupid car like this out on the road, everything is going well, and you got the data you need, you just have to play with it, right? I indulged myself and did a few little pulls just to get a feel for it. I got it rolling around 10mph in 1st, and gave it about 3/4 throttle up to 5000 RPM. Lots of turbo noise. Pulls up the nose pretty good, but not violently. AFR seems pretty well in check. It picks up about 30mph pretty quick in that little pull, but doesn't feel that fast. It makes me feel like some ricer in a Honda making all this turbo noise but not feeling like I'm going that fast. It could be deceiving, I don't know. I made a few part throttle pulls last year targeting 5-8psi, getting into the low 400s and they felt slow as hell.

Now I'll be curious to get some data on those hits, see what estimate for power I'm making, and get a look at the boost gauge to see if it's making as much as I expect. Whatever it is I want more. I don't want to put more timing to it. If it's making 15psi I don't want to put more boost to it either...


...yet.

Weather is going to be a bitch this weekend so I doubt I'll get any more action on it. Might as well get some minor work in like putting in a new sight tube for the IC reservoir, and making a washer fluid reservoir that fits, since it's previous real estate has been claimed by a giant air filter. This is a 100% street car and I won't be giving that up.
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Changed the oil to some nicer synthetic. Oil wasn't glittery.



Still need to add the sight glass but I have it disassembled and drained for it.

I was looking at the washer reservoir and the chances of modifying it look slim. I might just remote mount it in the trunk. Which begs the question of what to do. Let's hear some input. Do I...

1.) Do things the right way and buy a $13 universal reservoir and pump
2.) In the true spirit of the build go digging at the junkyard for something to stuff in the back.
3.) Keep things sketchy and install a pump into a plastic ammo can.


Forecast is looking good for the weekend. Should be a fine time to get the car out, maybe get a little pictures and video.
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One step forward, two steps back.

Put the sight tube and new pressure cap on the intercooler reservoir. That goes well. But then it starts leaking from a seam. Instead of trying to dick around with that and try to epoxy it up, I figure I'll just throw the old reservoir in to make some pulls in the time being until I can get or make a new tank.

I put the old reservoir in, and due to its small size and the flow rate of the new pump, it just aerates the shit out of the coolant. Once it gets aerated and shut down, it air locks the pump the next time you start it. Fuckin' great.

Well, no better time to go to a big boy trunk mounted tank because racecar, right?
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