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Urgent! Front Suspension Help

Hey guys, today i decided to tackle the install of my

Front Struts
Rear Shocks
Lowering Springs
Bumpsteer
CC Plates

I gave myself more than enough time to complete this and drive the car tomorrow (or so i thought lol)

Anyways i have some questions that im sure will be easy for someone who has done this before.

Ok #1

Bumpsteer kit

I am assuming that his is bad?



Now according to my research I want to have it perfectly inline with the A arm like the stock one. Correct?



#2

Is it normal for a bit of power steering fluid to drip out of the rack and pinion while installing something like bumpsteer?

Most of that puddle is PB Blaster but the 2 red spots are steering fluid



Its not leaking constantly, just a few drips while i was bolting on the new kit

#3 This has me really confused, I have seen 3 write ups on how to change your front struts and they are all seem to skip over the part about these bushings and exactly how they are supposed to go

I bought my struts used and they came with these ones here



This is the stock one that came out



Should I be re using the stock one? or the new ones?

#3

How do the bushings get put on?

do they go on the strut like this?




or do i insert them into the top rubber piece that came out of the strut tower side in the engine bay?



#4

Now this is the busing that came with the struts



I have attached it to the stock dust shield

how far does this go down the strut?



does the bottom sit on the little ridge kind of where it is in this pic?



#5

Does the spring have to be 100% exactly like the stock ones?


I am using these aftermarket iso's and they dont have the little hole to line it up perfectly, I am assuming that this doesnt have to be perfect, just as close to the stock position as i can get it too?





Now please forgive me if these are stupid simple questions, i have been working on this for a lot longer than i had hoped and im pretty tired. Most of the bolts were rust caked on and a bitch to remove, then my hanging light broke and its dark now. lol

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if your installing cc plates you don't use any of those rubber bushings.

you use the stepped spacer (slide over strut shaft) and then shove the strut up thru the cc plate (with the little side up on the spacer) and then add your medium/small spacers and then your strut nut

yeah the tie rod should be parallel but i have never installed a bumpsteer kit so can't help ya there
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if your installing cc plates you don't use any of those rubber bushings.

you use the stepped spacer (slide over strut shaft) and then shove the strut up thru the cc plate (with the little side up on the spacer) and then add your medium/small spacers and then your strut nut

yeah the tie rod should be parallel but i have never installed a bumpsteer kit so can't help ya there
ok thanks

my original plan was to install the CC plates tomorrow and after work but i will just install it all at once now.

Anyone else know the answers for my other questions?


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lol i came in here expecting that s197 guy that puts "URGENT" in every title of every thread he makes...
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lol i came in here expecting that s197 guy that puts "URGENT" in every title of every thread he makes...
well i have to drive to work in 6 hours and its just past 11pm now

looks like im driving my moms car, lol.


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once you have the car one the ground the tie rod ends will lever out.


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The reason your bumpsteer tie rod ends looks that way is you did not install the offset ball joint.

The spacers are for setting the height on your strut when using the CC plates.


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Bumpsteer is a very complicated thing to set. You need a bumpsteer gauge to do it correctly. You've come this far, so, ya, just leave it level with the A arms.
When you have free time, go to youtube and search for "Setting Bumpsteer" Its WAY more complicated than most people know.

I have never ever lost any ps fluid while doing any of the tasks you have. That would concern me. Keep a Very close eye on that. Maybe pull the flexible boots back, and see whats going on.

Those spacers look like the ones that come in the Max. Motorsports CC kit. I would just put them aside for now.
No, I'm pretty sure the long one does not go on the top, threaded part of the shock spindle.

The funny looking rubber bushings is the bump stop. it points downward.
It goes inside the dust boot. It goes right at the top, again, ponting down. You use a zip tie around the top. where the groove is. The CC plate kit comes with the same bump stops. I would use the new ones from MM.
Your bet is to go to the web site of the brand shocks you got, KYB? what ever brand, and it will give you installation instructions.
Also, check out the MM site for instructions, they have everything there.

Installation Instructions : Maximum Motorsports, the Latemodel Mustang Performance Suspension Leader!

Correct on the springs and iso's. Get the iso's on as far as you can, a little wd40 might help. If I recall, there is a little notch in the A arm, where end of the spring bumps up to. That would be the correct location. Not 100% on that, but otherwise, yes, as close to original position as you can.

Then, straight to an alignment shop.

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Thanks

I bought my cc plates from the same guy as the struts so that must be why those bushings were on the struts and not with the cc plates.

I'm at work now but when I get home to a computer I will post some more pics to make sure I have this all right.


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Struts are tockio blues btw


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and which is the proper way for this rubber bushing to go into the dust shield?

this is how i have it but i think this is wrong



does it go like this one?



*the busing is just sitting on the shield for the pics, it will be zip tied down.


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Anyone know about this ^^

I get off work in about 45 minutes and I need to finish this install when I get home.

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I'm like 90% sure this is the way it goes. I can't remember exactly because I installed mine like a year ago, but that's how it's showing on the AM guide. I can go check mine (if I can see it with the tires on) when I get done eating.

Edit: For #1 I think you need to have the car on the ground to actually see how it sits (or possibly just put the jack under the control arms and level it out). I think it's going to be hard to adjust it correctly with all of the suspension just dangling.

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ok guys i got a bunch more done, but with that comes a couple more questions. lol

So everything in the front is installed, all the bolts are in but nothing is tourqued yet.

For the final tightaning of the top strut bolt should i just put the wheels on and then lower the car off the stands?

I can seem to get the strut to come up far enough with just my floor jack, im assuming that it needs the full weight of the car on it

according to maximum motorsports for lowered cars you want 1 of the small spacers below the cc plate and 2 large and 1 small above. As you can see i cannot get the struts up enough for that



I havent really tried this side yet



Does the bumpsteer look better now that i have more done?



Should i just leave it with the spacers as they are?

That puddle is getting bigger





Here is where its coming from



Any ideas as to what that could be, think its a simple fix? (i have not pulled the boot back yet to look)

And here are some more pics









Thanks for all the help so far

Oh and another question

will the alignment shop adjust the CC plates and bumpsteer so that they are perfect? I dont know much about alignments


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Alright well I got this all done a few days ago. Here is the alignment print out. It has been suggested to me that I go back and get them to adjust the caster.



And here are a couple of pics.





And it is normal for the ride to feel rougher with lowering springs right?

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Stiffer rate equates to a rougher ride. Being lower is less travel for the springs. So in short terms, yes, it will be a bit rougher.


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Your CC plates should look like this...


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Your CC plates should look like this...

they do, the pics above were halfway through the installation.

IIRC i have 1 spacer below the plates and 2 big and 1 small above.

looks just like yours.


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Mine is..

Nut
Small spacer
Big
---- (CC plate)
Big
Small


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absolutely no need to go back and adjust the caster. there is no split at all which means there should be no pull to the right or left. caster also doesn't affect tire wear so your good there...

plus its on the higher side so if anything the steering should feel a little tighter.
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