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post #21 of 39 Old September 21st, 2011, 04:02 PM Thread Starter
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Well that's gay of him. I love the 03-04 Cobra, and want to add one to the collection some day to compliment the GT, but he's an idiot for selling a brand new 5.0 for one. Then again I'd rather have the gear ratios of the T56 compared to the junk Getrag MT82. But a TR6060 swap in a 5.0 would make them even more perfect.

I'm also on the young side but I buy this stuff myself. Just sold more stuff off the Slowmaro in the last couple days for another $275.

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Im running MAC LT's and Lethal's o/r x pipe. I love them. But i dont have a cat option like the SW.
Yeah, I'd love to save some money and go for an offroad setup, but switching midpipes, even if it's only once every two years, is a PITA. I should just move to Florida.

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Well that's gay of him. I love the 03-04 Cobra, and want to add one to the collection some day to compliment the GT, but he's an idiot for selling a brand new 5.0 for one. Then again I'd rather have the gear ratios of the T56 compared to the junk Getrag MT82. But a TR6060 swap in a 5.0 would make them even more perfect.

I'm also on the young side but I buy this stuff myself. Just sold more stuff off the Slowmaro in the last couple days for another $275.



Yeah, I'd love to save some money and go for an offroad setup, but switching midpipes, even if it's only once every two years, is a PITA. I should just move to Florida.


Lol I know. He has vids of his Cobra. Its sexy looking, he has a vid of a C6 Vette eating him up in his ported cobra. Thats what he gets.

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Lol I know. He has vids of his Cobra. Its sexy looking, he has a vid of a C6 Vette eating him up in his ported cobra. Thats what he gets.
Poor us. Can't really mess with the aerodynamics of the C5 and C6 'Vettes. They'll pull about as hard at 120 as they will 60. They're hard to beat in a full weight Mustang without a ton of power.

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I run pacesetter long tubes (150$) and a custom x, I wouldnt spend 1k+ just to have the easy ability to switch cats in and out, And those you posted dont even look flanged so who knows if you would be dealing with leaks and what not.

I would just get whatever headers you want and have an exhaust shop fab a custom x/h pipe with cats flanged in and make you indentical flanged cat delete you can just bolt it whenever you want your cats removed. youd save a ton of money instead of buying the prefabricated stuff

IMO save your 1k+ buy pacesetter 70 3230's (get em ceramic coated if you wanna be fancy) and have a custom x built. My setup cost me all of 350$

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I run pacesetter long tubes (150$) and a custom x, I wouldnt spend 1k+ just to have the easy ability to switch cats in and out, And those you posted dont even look flanged so who knows if you would be dealing with leaks and what not.

I would just get whatever headers you want and have an exhaust shop fab a custom x/h pipe with cats flanged in and make you indentical flanged cat delete you can just bolt it whenever you want your cats removed. youd save a ton of money instead of buying the prefabricated stuff

IMO save your 1k+ buy pacesetter 70 3230's (get em ceramic coated if you wanna be fancy) and have a custom x built. My setup cost me all of 350$
I'm really considering it, giving up the ability to just switch the cats instead of the whole X pipe. I figured with swapping full length X pipes, the only pain in the ass there is the manifolds being so far up. With long tubes, the mid pipe bolts up to them pretty much right by the front wheel it seems.



Easy enough to swap every two years. I just don't know if I'd go as far as buying Pacesetters and having a custom X pipe made just to save money. I really want a tried and true method, like Kooks, SLP, ARH etc. Leaning towards SW, but I just haven't been able to find anyone who's running them on a 99-04 GT. Plenty of S197s, new 5.0s, GM cars, but no 99-04 2 valves so far.

I might just end up with Kooks or ARH since I'd be able to step up from 1-5/8" to 1-3/4" for a little extra flow. Probably only going to be making up to 380 RWHP with my V1 S-trim intercooled on the stock 3.6" pulley, even with full exhaust, but I do plan on a built engine at some point, so it'd be worth it.

Does anyone here run American Racing headers? Know anyone who does? How do they like them? They sell 1-3/4" long tubes with a catted X through LP for $1,452, so I'm strongly considering that, and just buying an offroad X from them also, for after inspection. Seems better than like $1,660 for Stainless Work's 1-5/8" long tubes.

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Be one of the first people to run SW Headers on 2Vs. You never see it.

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Be one of the first people to run SW Headers on 2Vs. You never see it.
Kinda considering it, but I don't really want to be the guinea pig for them, especially when I could step it up to Kooks 1-3/4" long tubes for not much more.

Don't know. The only 2 valve car at all I have seen a video of SW headers on are the couple Crown Vics with them, and that's just.. not the same. I'd be more comfortable with it if I could at least see 1 or 2 GTs with them.

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Is there a reason you're looking for 1 3/4" primary headers? Most people don't see much for gains with the 1 5/8" primaries until well above 500hp. You have to remember we still have relatively small engines, only 281ci. It's not like the old days of 1 3/4" primaries on 455ci big blocks.

Also I take it you're bent on stainless ones?
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Is there a reason you're looking for 1 3/4" primary headers? Most people don't see much for gains with the 1 5/8" primaries until well above 500hp. You have to remember we still have relatively small engines, only 281ci. It's not like the old days of 1 3/4" primaries on 455ci big blocks.

Also I take it you're bent on stainless ones?
Yes. I have a little V1 S-trim sitting around now waiting to be installed, going to intercool it with a 31x12x4 CX front mount, then eventually drop in a built shortblock and some blower cams. Maybe upgrade to a T trim or V7, since Vortech makes it pretty easy and affordable through their V1 trade in program.

Not completely bent, I'd possibly settle on some nice ceramic coated headers. Thing is, the car is my daily driver for now. Not a weekend/nice day car that'll sit in the garage just because it's raining. Even after I pick up another daily driver, this car will still get tons of street miles. I don't want headers that'll look completely rusted out in just a couple years time.

May as well do it right once, I'm a big fan of doing it right once. That's why I shelled out $2,000 to swap to a T56 when my TR-3650 5 speed went.

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so from what i have read stay away from bbk headers? or just there mid pipes? im looking to but lt headers on in the winter and idk what brand to go with either, someone said flowtech but i never heard of them.

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so from what i have read stay away from bbk headers? or just there mid pipes? im looking to but lt headers on in the winter and idk what brand to go with either, someone said flowtech but i never heard of them.
There are people that have ran BBK headers and mid pipes for thousands of miles without any issues, but some have bad luck with either. I know my BBK offroad X won't seal for shit.

I thought maybe my Flowmaster catback might've been partly at fault, since they are after all, old chambered mufflers, the baffles can rust out which makes a leak-like rattle. Put out $554 on Borla Stingers, and some of the leak is still there.

I had a friend put it up on the lift at his shop, they spent a while adjusting it, checking for leaks, adjusting.. It's kind of fine for now, but what we think the problem is, is the flares on the end of the BBK X pipe are out of round, not making a complete seal. I just wanna be done with the thing.

But to be fair to BBK, once their X pipes are adjusted correctly, they have pretty decent ground clearance, and for just being aluminized, mine is pretty clean. Driven it in snow twice, rain all the time. Once I get some long tubes on the car, I'll let someone have my BBK X real cheap if they want it, otherwise I'm throwing it out.

Probably would just have to find a good custom exhaust shop with a flaring machine, and they can have a decent X pipe for a few bucks.

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ok, well ill probably stay away from the bbk headers then, did you ever hear about flowtech headers?

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i have flow tech long tubes,

some people like them and have zero problems and some people have tons of problems



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I'm running Flowtech headers and o/r x pipe on mine since 2006, no issues. Mine is a 2000 2V GT 5 Speed. No leaks, great sound thru the Flowmasters. It does have a drone around 2k RPM tho.

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I have the Kooks with catted H though and the cats are removable. Even though my cats are hollowed "allegedly" . I still want to get those cat delete pipes like you had in the pic, I just can't find the damn flanges so I can weld them on.

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I have the Kooks with catted H though and the cats are removable. Even though my cats are hollowed "allegedly" . I still want to get those cat delete pipes like you had in the pic, I just can't find the damn flanges so I can weld them on.
Interesting. I don't think Kooks makes H pipes anymore. I'm more of a fan of X pipes, but that would be neat to have an H with long tubes, it probably sounds deep as hell.

I think what I may do is order Kooks long tubes and an offroad X pipe from them, then sacrifice my catted Magnaflow X to pass emissions. I did plan to use this setup until next June for emissions.



But I had the flange on my BBK X repaired, welded in place. I put out over $500 of course for the Stingers, so I really wanted to hear them with an offroad X setup for now. Probably just gonna have that Magnaflow catted X hacked up to fit Kooks long tubes, for emissions.

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I am one of those that have run BBK for years without any problems. But others have not been that lucky. I have tried to figure this out. Most of those who have not been happy with BBK mid-pipes are running a different header. I'm running BBK LTs, and mid-pipe. Perhaps, the mid-pipe is designed to fit the headers, and it is the other headers that don't match up. Those headers have put up with 73,000 miles of abuse. But, I'm not lowered and I haven't slammed them into stuff.

Bottom line: BBK headers and LT have been very, very good to me. I haven't figure out why they aren't good to others.

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Could be a number of things. Being lowered as you said you're not, could be the gaskets they used, install error, header or flange bolts not torqued enough. Rainy areas and salty area near the beach could wear flanges just enough for a leak to pop up, etc.

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Interesting. I don't think Kooks makes H pipes anymore. I'm more of a fan of X pipes, but that would be neat to have an H with long tubes, it probably sounds deep as hell.

I think what I may do is order Kooks long tubes and an offroad X pipe from them, then sacrifice my catted Magnaflow X to pass emissions. I did plan to use this setup until next June for emissions.



But I had the flange on my BBK X repaired, welded in place. I put out over $500 of course for the Stingers, so I really wanted to hear them with an offroad X setup for now. Probably just gonna have that Magnaflow catted X hacked up to fit Kooks long tubes, for emissions.
yea it's ok at idle and Throaty when I punch it. I would like to go with a o/r prochamber but not too sure on the sound difference.

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