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post #141 of 219 Old February 28th, 2013, 08:27 PM
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Of course you can't take me seriously because your an idiot.If your going to criticize somebody's combo or say that it should make more at least have something that makes at least the same or more power.thats like you talking about somebody having a ugly ol lady and you being married to honey Boo Boo's mom.
Wtf are you talking about? I never criticized. Pate did I? If I did, it didnt mean to come out like that.

I simply said, maybe the cams aren't aggressive enough for 750rwhp which is what pate wants. He made that clear. So I made suggestions so he wouldn't be disapointed. Spending $3000 on a new blower (YSi) and another $4-500 on a new intercooler.

Kurgan showed me the cams he used in big horsepower cars, okay. Before. Didnt know the specs, so I thought maybe they weren't aggressive enough.

What does me having a car that makes the same power have to do with it? It's not like their all going to have the same setup, so that point is invalid.

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tuning it on the 2.75 is fine.. as we say, it was up about 40rwhp everywhere until belt slip came into play.. i expect about 640rwhp with the 2.75 and 20-21psi... typical 15-17rwhp per psi gain

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You know what at the current moment my head is spinning off my shoulders and I dont know what to do anymore I set out for a specific path as I usually do and Im derailed at the monent.

Hey Bob how about we just retune it with that 2.75 Pulley and call it a day on this car? So I can just use the MOD money I was getting ready to spend on my FOX.
Just buy the viper or boss 302 and call it a day

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post #144 of 219 Old February 28th, 2013, 08:39 PM Thread Starter
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Just buy the viper or boss 302 and call it a day
You know im due for a new car very soon Im going to keep that private until the purchase is made.


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tuning it on the 2.75 is fine.. as we say, it was up about 40rwhp everywhere until belt slip came into play.. i expect about 640rwhp with the 2.75 and 20-21psi... typical 15-17rwhp per psi gain
Well do that and ill call it a day.. My car is super fast and Im very pleased with it, Im tired of chasing the numbers on this car its time for a run at the track..


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Of course you can't take me seriously because your an idiot.If your going to criticize somebody's combo or say that it should make more at least have something that makes at least the same or more power.thats like you talking about somebody having a ugly ol lady and you being married to honey Boo Boo's mom.
I agree with JayC. Personal attacks are uncalled for. Shaun is a long time contributor on this forum. He has given great advice to a lot of people. I disagree completely with the idea that you much have high horsepower before you can respond to a thread. If that were true then most of us would have to simply log off. Since you seem to believe that perhap you should post your numbers.

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You know what at the current moment my head is spinning off my shoulders and I dont know what to do anymore I set out for a specific path as I usually do and Im derailed at the monent.

Hey Bob how about we just retune it with that 2.75 Pulley and call it a day on this car? So I can just use the MOD money I was getting ready to spend on my FOX.
No!! Do the intercooler on the T trim. I really think you'll pick up good power!

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I agree with JayC. Personal attacks are uncalled for. Shaun is a long time contributor on this forum. He has given great advice to a lot of people. I disagree completely with the idea that you much have high horsepower before you can respond to a thread. If that were true then most of us would have to simply log off. Since you seem to believe that perhap you should post your numbers.

By the way, credibility is generally judge by the member's reputation bar. You don't get a green bar by giving bad advice.
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No!! Do the intercooler on the T trim. I really think you'll pick up good power!

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Thanks Tom and Jay!
Shaun you have been very helpful to me in the past especially getting my intercooler parts and all picked out last year..
After reading through everything Im not convinced anymore that I would gain anything im just frustrated.


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I really think you will man. I don't see why you wouldn't. People have done boost tests to see what they make pre cx intercooler, and post. The loss even at 10psi was 3psi. Never mind at your boost level. I wouldn't be surprised if you picked up 6psi. If you were seeing 40rwhp gains with the 2.75 pulley which is probably 2psi more, imagine what you'll see with 4-6psi.

And you don't run the risk of belt slippage

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Very true and a point well taken.


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You being for real pate or just yanking my balls? Did I get threw?? Lol jk but really?

Idk how deep your pockets go but for a 750rwhp mod motor they need to be deep.

I think you'll be very happy starting the fox and learn about them! I am pumped when I do my pushrod car and that too will be my big hp car!

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Who is this woodrow5.0 anyway? Only thing he said in here is things bashing Shaun. So throw out some info or move along...

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Lol seriously. Like I said, I didn't mean to come across as "questioning" kurgan. People just get way to defensive when someone asks a "mustang legend" a question.

Anyways, I do think, do the intercooler swap and try it out. I think it's leaving some power on the table. A good amount.

Worst case, if it doesn't work out. Use that treadstone intercooler on your turbo Fox?

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But I see no reason at all why it wouldn't work very well.

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You being for real pate or just yanking my balls? Did I get threw?? Lol jk but really?

Idk how deep your pockets go but for a 750rwhp mod motor they need to be deep.

I think you'll be very happy starting the fox and learn about them! I am pumped when I do my pushrod car and that too will be my big hp car!

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Who is this woodrow5.0 anyway? Only thing he said in here is things bashing Shaun. So throw out some info or move along...

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Lol seriously. Like I said, I didn't mean to come across as "questioning" kurgan. People just get way to defensive when someone asks a "mustang legend" a question.

Anyways, I do think, do the intercooler swap and try it out. I think it's leaving some power on the table. A good amount.

Worst case, if it doesn't work out. Use that treadstone intercooler on your turbo Fox?

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But I see no reason at all why it wouldn't work very well.
I am going to think about this for a bit, I hit the road again tomorrow for another State so I have some time before I get home, and Its just to damn cold out there right now to work even if I was home LOL. Your right I shoudl pickup big Pressure with that intercooler so I am going to remain silent until the project kicks off it is only going to set me back another 500 to redo the intercooler.

Dont get to wrapped around the axle about Bob he is a good guy, he tries hard to balance out what you really want while at the same time keeping you from blowing your car up making unhealthy decisions trying to the last few ponies out. He knows his shit so when he says something its worth looking into.
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i didn't read everything but dyno numbers are no fun, who cares about that, track is where its at!!!
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i didn't read everything but dyno numbers are no fun, who cares about that, track is where its at!!!
We should meet up this summer at the atlanta dragway and make a couple passes.


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heck yes....this thread is hilarious btw, everyone getting their panties all in a bunch LOL
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The reason i asked about the flow rate of the T trim was to try to calculate what cfm Pate is pushing through the intercooler at his actual boost.

Per vortech the T trim is 1200cfm at a max boost of 26 psi.

I believe i saw that he is currently at 18psi. Assuming a linear change which is a good estimate we use the ratio

1200cfm/26psi = xx cfm/18psi

Or

(1200/26)*18= 831 cfm. So at the current boost level he is near capped out that intercooler which means that the efficiency drops off dramatically. I believe Kurgan said the efficiency was dropping quickly at the top end.

The horizontal design also adds a bit more pressure loss. So moving to a top down should help.

Based on the above, a treadstone with a max flow rating of 1492cfm with a max loss of only 1.5psi while at max flow should provide a couple psi more at the same pulley while maintaining lower IAT's which is good in so many ways.

He wont be anywhere near the intercoolers limits and will be able to get the same boost with a bigger pulley causing the headunit not to have to work as hard.

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[/COLOR]Who is this woodrow5.0 anyway? Only thing he said in here is things bashing Shaun. So throw out some info or move along...
Pate knows exactly who I am so we will leave it at that.and I never bashed him until he bashed pate and his build,or atleast that's how it looked.if he says that's not how it's meant then so be it,it just cracks me up there's so many know it alls on the net that can question professionals when they have no experience.i also don't care about rep points,I will offer advice at times but that's all it is advice that I have learned after personally owning 23 fox bodies alone.oh and I also have no clue what any of my cars ever made on a dyno,but I have been 5.29 in the 1/8th and been involved in a few other fast car builds,right pate?
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