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post #21 of 57 Old July 7th, 2013, 06:27 PM Thread Starter
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HAHA thanks for the compliment I keep it clean because it honestly don't get out very much. Im not sure when these things start pulling timing on my setup, but im just searching for answers. The AIT is definitely in a much better place now for sure so It should read a lot better then it has. one of these days ill get things figured out, hopefully before I Do my next motor Swap.


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I'm with SRT10. My IAT temps with the TRV25 never go above 100degF. Though I have not logged it on one of these africa hot days that we have been having lately. Looking at some of my older logs my temps start in the 50-60's and end in the 70 to mid 90's with coolant temps around 186degF. With those low numbers timing can stay higher.


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So does anyone know at which point timing starts getting pulled?

AS for today the temps never got above 100 since I moved the AIT sensor to the intercooler pipe.


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So does anyone know at which point timing starts getting pulled?

AS for today the temps never got above 100 since I moved the AIT sensor to the intercooler pipe.
That's all set in the tune.

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That's all set in the tune.



Obviously, thats not what I asked I asked at what point referring to temperature does timing start to get pulled.


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That's all set in the tune.
Pate I'm just taking a wild guess here but I think he was suggesting that it's an adjustment in the tune and can be set at any amount.

A really safe tune could be set to pull timing at a high temp, whereas a tune on the ragged edge would need to start pulling timing at a lower temp.

Again just a wild guess on my part. You could always send Bob an email and see what he says.



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I was told every 10* above 75* AITs, 1* of timing is pulled. That's a factory safety thing that keeps the engine from blowing up lol.

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Pate, I asked this very question of my tuner while we were going back and forth remote road tuning and for my particular tune it is setup such that if the coolant gets over about 210 or the IAT is over 150 the ECU will pull significant timing. It starts to pull some timing at 138 (IAT) then gets more aggressive at 150. For ECT it starts at 200 and gets more aggressive at 214. Joe indicated that MAF based cars are pretty good at taking care of environmental variables.

I was told by joe that when either the IAT's or engine coolant get in the upper realms that beating on it while ok should be done with more caution and listen for detonation.


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Thanks man this thread is getting some very useful information in it, I talked to my tuner earlier and he said mine starts pulling timing at 130 so now I know ive been running in the pull zone with my AIT sensor in the wrong place, I was very excited to see it stay under 99 degrees after moving it.


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Obviously, thats not what I asked I asked at what point referring to temperature does timing start to get pulled.
That is exactly what you asked, and exactly what I answered. I have Binary Editor and tune my car. There is a table for pulling timing based on IAT and ECT. You can set the temperatures and the amount of timing pulled/added at each temperature.

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That is exactly what you asked, and exactly what I answered. I have Binary Editor and tune my car. There is a table for pulling timing based on IAT and ECT. You can set the temperatures and the amount of timing pulled/added at each temperature.
That was a more clarified answer that im sure will help the next guy that ends up here so thanks. I did talk to my tuner and he was telling me the temps that my car actually pulls timing. I am not a tuner so I don't pretend to be nor do I offer any tuning advice.

I did pull some figures a while ago and right now currently the DA is at 5578 and by judging by Thursdays night Temps its be very close to the same DA it about makes going to the track pointless for me here until things cool down and the humidity drops significantly


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So does anyone know at which point timing starts getting pulled?

AS for today the temps never got above 100 since I moved the AIT sensor to the intercooler pipe.
It depends on how the tuner has your tune setup. I know that mine starts pulling timing once it crosses 100 degrees. I have 17 degrees in it and on the dyno on the last pull it got up to 104 degrees and .25 degrees of timing was pulled resulting in 16.75 degrees. I'm pretty sure that mine pulls .25 degrees in 5 degree increments over 100F. Cruising on the street around 30mph on an 85 degree day my iats are 10-15 degrees above ambient with the Procharger 3 core intercooler.

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It's not just a matter of retarded ignition timing due to high air charge temps. Most tunes will also advance ignition timing at lower air charge temps, unless your tuner has completely changed those tables. The cooler you can get your air charge temps, the better.

Pate, phatboy answered exactly what you asked. This is all completely adjustable in the tune. Without seeing your specific tune file, none of us have any idea "at which point timing starts getting pulled" on your car.

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Do you drag radial guys use the water box or go around it?

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Do you drag radial guys use the water box or go around it?

Phatboy my apologies if I came off a little rude.
If you are running street tires up front and DR's out back, drive around the water box and back into it. That way when you launch you aren't driving into a wet spot.
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Thats what I've been doing, but i have a feeling water is slinging up in the wheel well causing a little traction loss as well.


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My understanding was any drag radial you should not go into the water box since water may get trapped in the tread pattern. Only slicks should go in the box. Radials just get a quick heat up dry and move on.

Have a partner stand nearby and feel the tires for wet spots after a quick burn using the water.


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My understanding was any drag radial you should not go into the water box since water may get trapped in the tread pattern. Only slicks should go in the box. Radials just get a quick heat up dry and move on.

Have a partner stand nearby and feel the tires for wet spots after a quick burn using the water.
You'll wear out the drs really quick if you do dry burnouts. You're not really flinging water around. Ground is lightly wet. Not like you are sitting in a puddle.

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True but DR burnouts are more just to clean debris and build a little heat. You dont spin as long as a slick.

If there is enough water for the front tires to drag around to be concerned about then there is enough to fling around.


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Ill do a good burnout right at the waterboxes edge, I also need to figure out where to have the Tire pressure last time I ran around 20PSI, and what level to adjust my 10 Way Strange adjustable shocks. I have alot of homework to do.


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