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post #4641 of 5051 Old March 10th, 2017, 12:18 PM
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They are onto me LOL
Lol yea you would be happy with 600 at 16 but what 25?

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Lol yea you would be happy with 600 at 16 but what 25?

800+ is my goal on race fuel...

Not much i can do this weekend anyhow with a big snow storm about to hit here so im just messing around.

So today I went out and chased down a box of boost juice for my methanol injection..

I am getting ready now to drop the oil for inspection then change the oil, and cut open the oil filter to see how well the motor was put together and if everything is healthy. It seems healthy thats for sure.

then im dropping the tranny fluid installing a new temperature sensor.

Tuesday my new fuel injectors will be here, the ones i have now are not going to work, they did not come with any tuning data so they were a nitmare to work work on the base tune and part throttle... no problem though cause i got a anther set on the way.. hang in there folks i am almost done..
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Yea i figured you were wanting 800+ thats sweet goodluck

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I changed the engine oil today and cut open the filter everything looked great so once i get some new injectors Tuesday it WOT tuning time...

I am not going to run E-85 rather ill be running pump 110 gas since its availbale at the pump locally at several places across our towns which means i can drive around and not worry about running out of E-85 cause there isnt any for 100 miles. That and im to cheap to spend 1K on some ID injectors. I am using Ford racings 80# injectors they are tired and true and should support up to 850RWHP on race fuel @45PSI 90 percent max duty cycle and we know the Siemens/Ford racing flow a little better. dont think i will make it to 850 but its wishful thinking.
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While messing round today i got the methanol likght installed next to my gauge to tell me when the METH is activated.





As bad as i hated to mess up my clean motor i got the fuel rails off and ready for the new injectors.



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Spray 100% meth and you wont even need 110.
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If you run leaded 110, you'll be killing O2 sensors every other week.


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Not true... Ive ran race gas in the past and never killed and o2... In sure it isnt great in it. But when you only run a race tune once in a while a few,tanks of gas wont kill the o2.
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We have enough raceboats and circle track cars around here to where they sell leaded 110 at the pump during the summer. 2 LS cars local to me and a Paxton Coyote all had issues with it after a week or so. Granted, they were trying to run it full time.

You might be able to scoot by running it at the track only, but it will eventually take a toll. Just keep an eye on your wideband for anything fishy looking. I'd hate to see you hurt it after all the work you did.


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If you run leaded 110, you'll be killing O2 sensors every other week.
Who told you this flat out lie? If that was the case, I would've killed dozens of them.

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We have enough raceboats and circle track cars around here to where they sell leaded 110 at the pump during the summer. 2 LS cars local to me and a Paxton Coyote all had issues with it after a week or so. Granted, they were trying to run it full time.

You might be able to scoot by running it at the track only, but it will eventually take a toll. Just keep an eye on your wideband for anything fishy looking. I'd hate to see you hurt it after all the work you did.
I'm thinking this was a tuning problem and the "it killed the sensor" was just an easy scapegoat. I used to run C16 all the time at the track, and for a few days after the track still burning off what was in the tank, and had the same wideband for 8 years.

A couple guys near me only run leaded race gas on both the street and the track, 13+ compression engines, with EGTs and widebands and have no issues with them.
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Looking good man! You may want to adjust your meth nozzle location. I had 2 opposing nozzles like that and had some atomization issues because they were spraying each other. I ended up just running 1 bigger nozzle.
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Leaded fuel?
leaded gas and 02s
Leaded fuel and oxygen/wideband sensors - Yellow Bullet Forums
Will Leaded race fuel ruin O2 sensors? - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion

Also strange how some of the wideband manufacturers recommend you re-calibrate the sensor for every hour of run time using leaded fuel (page 6). http://www.bmotorsports.com/download...FRM_Manual.pdf

Even stranger, all of those cars local to me ran fine once the O2's were replaced again.

But hey, you guys obviously know something we don't around here. I'll keep my comments to myself from here on out.
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What do I know?

Leaded fuel?
leaded gas and 02s
Leaded fuel and oxygen/wideband sensors - Yellow Bullet Forums
Will Leaded race fuel ruin O2 sensors? - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion

Also strange how some of the wideband manufacturers recommend you re-calibrate the sensor for every hour of run time using leaded fuel (page 6). http://www.bmotorsports.com/download...FRM_Manual.pdf

Even stranger, all of those cars local to me ran fine once the O2's were replaced again.

But hey, you guys obviously know something we don't around here. I'll keep my comments to myself from here on out.

Fly, thank you for your comment and your feedback as always, I was just saying that my experience with race fuel yielded a different result on the O2 Sensors. I run the turbo blue 110 when i do run race fuel which wont be very often.

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Looking good man! You may want to adjust your meth nozzle location. I had 2 opposing nozzles like that and had some atomization issues because they were spraying each other. I ended up just running 1 bigger nozzle.
how did you adjust your nozzles? I can always back down to 1 its not that big of a deal to me to run 1 or two. I ran two because i just wanted a dual setup my single setup worked well in the past.

Did you use a progressive controller as well?
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Fly, thank you for your comment and your feedback as always, I was just saying that my experience with race fuel yielded a different result on the O2 Sensors. I run the turbo blue 110 when i do run race fuel which wont be very often.

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how did you adjust your nozzles? I can always back down to 1 its not that big of a deal to me to run 1 or two. I ran two because i just wanted a dual setup my single setup worked well in the past.

Did you use a progressive controller as well?
I just went to a single and pluged the other hole, and yea I'm running a Devils Own progressive
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I just went to a single and pluged the other hole, and yea I'm running a Devils Own progressive
How did you know you were having atomization issues? Just trying to see if there is something i can look out for.


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I used a shop vacuum taped to a piece of PVC pipe taped to the end of my charge pipe and sprayed the nozzles under vacuum. If the spray stays suspended in the air as it exits, it's good. If it puddles on the walls, it's bad. I doubt that's an exact science, or even accurate way to check it, but it's what I did. lol I ran a single nozzle pre-turbo and another nozzle just after the FMIC.

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Thanks, this is all i have left to put on, 8 fuel injectors which will be here Tuesday and these new o2 sensors once i get done tuning. Since there is Salt on the roads now there is no way ide be making any progress this weekend anyhow so hopefully the rain will clear this salt up Tuesday night so I can get back out on the road and finish tuning.



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How did you know you were having atomization issues? Just trying to see if there is something i can look out for.
To be honest I don't even remember what made me suspect I was having issues, either higher than expected AIT's or the intake being wet after a pull. Regardless I got on the phone with Devils own and their tech basically said I was dumb and that the spray patterns of the opposing nozzles would be interfering with each other and causing droplets instead of mist. If everything seems to be working properly, then you are probably ok, just something to keep an eye out for. If I recall correctly I was spraying way too much as well, which didn't help. Rdys Idea actually seems like a pretty good test, I might have to give it a try.
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To be honest I don't even remember what made me suspect I was having issues, either higher than expected AIT's or the intake being wet after a pull. Regardless I got on the phone with Devils own and their tech basically said I was dumb and that the spray patterns of the opposing nozzles would be interfering with each other and causing droplets instead of mist. If everything seems to be working properly, then you are probably ok, just something to keep an eye out for. If I recall correctly I was spraying way too much as well, which didn't help. Rdys Idea actually seems like a pretty good test, I might have to give it a try.
The problem i can see with the vacuum method is the lack of flow, there is no way that you can simulate an actual intake and the flow of air coming through when your getting into boost, unless you know exactly or close to how much CFM is coming through the intake pipe at a given boost level.

One thing i did do was use 2 nozzles that are not equal in volume one flows alot more then the other.


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