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post #4821 of 5059 Old August 26th, 2017, 06:13 PM
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Man all these high HP build threads are depressing me, things constantly break. Making a lot of power is expensive, I've given up all ambition of making my 2V any faster than 400HP. I've spent the majority of my money after the blower on suspension parts. 400 HP is more than enough to rip up some corners at SCCA events and HPDE. I applaud you for giving it this much though a lot of knowledge in this thread. If my motor ever does go I will more than likely just throw in a junkyard replacement and keep going rather than build the shortblock.

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Man all these high HP build threads are depressing me, things constantly break. Making a lot of power is expensive, I've given up all ambition of making my 2V any faster than 400HP. I've spent the majority of my money after the blower on suspension parts. 400 HP is more than enough to rip up some corners at SCCA events and HPDE. I applaud you for giving it this much though a lot of knowledge in this thread. If my motor ever does go I will more than likely just throw in a junkyard replacement and keep going rather than build the shortblock.
Its part of the game, but as you can see most of these issues are very similar and mostly parts lacking in quality or honesty.


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Man all these high HP build threads are depressing me, things constantly break. Making a lot of power is expensive, I've given up all ambition of making my 2V any faster than 400HP. I've spent the majority of my money after the blower on suspension parts. 400 HP is more than enough to rip up some corners at SCCA events and HPDE. I applaud you for giving it this much though a lot of knowledge in this thread. If my motor ever does go I will more than likely just throw in a junkyard replacement and keep going rather than build the shortblock.

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If you build it once and leave it alone, your chances of breakage are dramatically reduced.
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I've always tried to change one thing at a time. First build the engine, debug it. Then transmission, debug. Then go crazy with power adders, debug. If something goes wrong, you immediately know where to look instead of chasing your tail looking at multiple culprits.

Pate didn't fall into this category, but I have seen a lot of guys locally and even more on FB go from bone stock car with a blower to massive cams, fully built longblock, $3k transmission, brand new turbo kit, new rear end etc. Then when each of those systems develop small issues, it is completely overwhelming and the car winds up parted out or sits for years never running more than a few days at a time.


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What I meant was more like when you do the debugging of the most recent change, don't keep tinkering with it. Whether it's a big build or a small change, when you get it setup right, leave it alone. When you start seeing if it will tolerate that extra pound of boost, etc... that's when you start breaking shit.

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What I meant was more like when you do the debugging of the most recent change, don't keep tinkering with it. Whether it's a big build or a small change, when you get it setup right, leave it alone. When you start seeing if it will tolerate that extra pound of boost, etc... that's when you start breaking shit.

Remember the KISS rule... Keep It Simple Stupid.
I completely agree. I just try to take it one step further when doing my stuff if I can because I don't have any local support; If I can't figure it out, it doesn't get fixed.

Prime example was putting in my new stall awhile back. ONLY thing I changed was the stall even though I had a new turbo and a couple fuel system parts lying in the garage waiting to go in.

Afterwards, I experienced a weird lean spike during WOT acceleration that was not there before. Because I only changed the stall, I knew that the problem had to be associated with that. After rechecking my installation and making sure the trans was working right with some datalogs, I found out that the stall allowed my RPMs to climb to a bit different point in my base fuel tables and it was briefly trying to go to stoich lol. After adjusting that and the LWFM table, I was back in business.

I could easily see how those symptoms could be interpreted as an engine or fuel system issue if I had touched those parts, however, which would have been a wild goose chase.


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I suppose I took a step back this time and decided to do the whole NA break in for a couple thousand miles before adding anything... But after all the frustration of losing a brand new motor over something so stupid its took my wind.

I was planning a nice custom TT kit but fuck it if the dude brings me cash im throwing in the towel... My asking price was very far from cheap and was more of a joke but some people love to spend money... The only condition was that he can drive it away....


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Man all these high HP build threads are depressing me, things constantly break. Making a lot of power is expensive, I've given up all ambition of making my 2V any faster than 400HP. I've spent the majority of my money after the blower on suspension parts. 400 HP is more than enough to rip up some corners at SCCA events and HPDE. I applaud you for giving it this much though a lot of knowledge in this thread. If my motor ever does go I will more than likely just throw in a junkyard replacement and keep going rather than build the shortblock.
I feel the same with my car. At about 400rwhp it's a fun car. I'm also afraid to build a 2v because I think within a few years, parts will become hard to come by. With the coyote growing in popularity, I feel that most aftermarket companies will eventually discontinue 2v specific parts.

In all honesty, if you want to make crazy hp, I think a SBF or LS is the way to go because of parts availability now and in the future.

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If you build it once and leave it alone, your chances of breakage are dramatically reduced.
I can agree to that man!!!!
I dropped in a MMR 900 stroker, TKO600 and a D1sc, then I left the "DANN" car alone. Car been running at 600+rwhp for over 3 years now.
I looked at the car and set a goal, reached that goal and left it alone. If you keep chasing that hp number after every dyno section, you are going to break something.

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Man all these high HP build threads are depressing me, things constantly break. Making a lot of power is expensive, I've given up all ambition of making my 2V any faster than 400HP. I've spent the majority of my money after the blower on suspension parts. 400 HP is more than enough to rip up some corners at SCCA events and HPDE. I applaud you for giving it this much though a lot of knowledge in this thread. If my motor ever does go I will more than likely just throw in a junkyard replacement and keep going rather than build the shortblock.
Meh...... I logged over 200 nitrous passes, and almost 300 motor passes, drove the car at least 3 days a week, and never did anything to it, in a mid 9 second turd. It did end up breaking, but it had Scat I beam rods and a Scat cast crank...lol. The cheap rod is what finally gave up after the relentless abuse I put it through. It's a rod rated at 500 hp, and made more than that on motor, and I was spraying the crap out of it, and twisting it to 7K RPMs. You can make power and still have reliability.

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Its alive engine break in complete, i just want to put a few miles on it and enjoy it a little before it gets cold before adding the new turbo setup.

I did a stock engine NA break in this time and it was very nice to be able to pull out of my driveway WOT to set the rings and such since i dont do my own tuning.





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Im still in the process of deciding on what turbo setup to use. I am leaning highly toward building my own since my welding skills are actually to that point now. What do you all think? One thing is for sure i wont be using any CG crap this time.


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If you build it once and leave it alone, your chances of breakage are dramatically reduced.
I agree with both statements. I’ve had my car a little over 11 years. I added the P1SC supercharger, Meziere electric water pump and BBK TB/Plenum just over 10 years ago. It’s a daily driver so near 400 rwhp is enough especially on an otherwise stock long-block. I was unhappy with the tune so 6 months later I added a MAFia, headers and got it re-tuned. Then I did brakes, hood, wheels, control arms, clutch, gears and the all important dipstick mod.

I got a quote for a MMR long block with goal of 600 rwhp but couldn't convince myself that I needed to ditch a perfectly good motor.

For the last 8 years all I have done is drive and maintain the car. It now has 205,000 miles of which the last 125,000 were supercharged at the power level in my signature. I just changed oil a couple of days ago. It used quart between the 3,000 mile oil changes. I don’t know how long it will last but I should get another couple of years out of it. The only problem that I know it has is the driver’s side seat is pretty much worn out.

I still appreciate the high horsepower builds though. I keep thinking someday maybe I'll get that MMR long block.

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I'm on the same motor and blower for years now. I dont persue things anymore with my 2v like I used to... Life is just too busy for me these days to invest the time that I once did. I enjoy machining custom parts now much more than actually building the car. It still making the same 630+rwhp it was years ago but it runs good and has never broken anything other than tensioners and heater hoses lol. 630+ rwhp is more than enough though to basically destroy anything you will come across on the road. In a 99 GT making 630+ with a T6060, torque arm, weight mods.... The car is pretty on point and to this day has never lost a unexpected street race.

I'm finally about to pull the motor out of is this weekend because i have to smog it again and I hate the exhaust. Normally I would just pay for an illegal smog and be done with it but this time I hate the long tube BBK headers so much I'm going to pull the motor. I'll check it all out, probably change bearings and do a bead hone here in the shop. I'm going to put either BBK shorty back on it or at most mid length headers. I hated the long tubes with a passion and it picked up less than 10hp honesty. The highest dyno my car has ever turned was 666hp/615ft (lol yep 666) on a dyno jet. That was on full race gas with the J&S setup and running max timing before detonation... had 21 degrees in it on 110 octane. On Meth its made 650s several times on pump gas. I'm happy to give up a few hp to get back to an exhaust system I can tolerate. Suspension is good and let it rip for a few more years.

I'm much more focused on working on my 67 Mustang now than I've been for over a decade. The plan is for the GF and I to drive the 67 to Mustang week next year. In order for that to happen it will need AC and motor done.... AC is a must for the girlfriend to go lol
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I'm on the same motor and blower for years now. I dont persue things anymore with my 2v like I used to... Life is just too busy for me these days to invest the time that I once did. I enjoy machining custom parts now much more than actually building the car. It still making the same 630+rwhp it was years ago but it runs good and has never broken anything other than tensioners and heater hoses lol. 630+ rwhp is more than enough though to basically destroy anything you will come across on the road. In a 99 GT making 630+ with a T6060, torque arm, weight mods.... The car is pretty on point and to this day has never lost a unexpected street race.

I'm finally about to pull the motor out of is this weekend because i have to smog it again and I hate the exhaust. Normally I would just pay for an illegal smog and be done with it but this time I hate the long tube BBK headers so much I'm going to pull the motor. I'll check it all out, probably change bearings and do a bead hone here in the shop. I'm going to put either BBK shorty back on it or at most mid length headers. I hated the long tubes with a passion and it picked up less than 10hp honesty. The highest dyno my car has ever turned was 666hp/615ft (lol yep 666) on a dyno jet. That was on full race gas with the J&S setup and running max timing before detonation... had 21 degrees in it on 110 octane. On Meth its made 650s several times on pump gas. I'm happy to give up a few hp to get back to an exhaust system I can tolerate. Suspension is good and let it rip for a few more years.

I'm much more focused on working on my 67 Mustang now than I've been for over a decade. The plan is for the GF and I to drive the 67 to Mustang week next year. In order for that to happen it will need AC and motor done.... AC is a must for the girlfriend to go lol

You got a pretty nice setup for machining parts..... Im not as active as i used to be either just due to running into some shitty parts in the last few years. Ive got anew found love for this car once again and im ready to build a whole new turbo setup but im not exactly sure what to do this time around... So with that being said Folks Get in here and chose my new turbo setup for me... What do you all think?


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Got most of my break in about done im ready to get the turbos back on.


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honestly Pate, for the price I am impressed with my on3 hot and cold side piping... and even the on3 ball bearing turbo. the gate/bov are tial now, the V bands have been replaced.

I wouldnt be opposed to trying the twin kit. or... perhaps hit up y2k02 and see if he has his longtube setup available.

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honestly Pate, for the price I am impressed with my on3 hot and cold side piping... and even the on3 ball bearing turbo. the gate/bov are tial now, the V bands have been replaced.

I wouldnt be opposed to trying the twin kit. or... perhaps hit up y2k02 and see if he has his longtube setup available.
Im seriously thinking about trying out the on3 twin setup....

My motor is so bad ass it would probably Crack y2k02 pipes like it done the last set i had on there LOL..

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