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post #1 of 60 Old September 21st, 2008, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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best AWD car for around $12,000

I'm just looking for some ideas, im looking to pick up another car soon and would like it to be an awd... can you guys throw me some ideas so i can start looking?

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you can find audi A4's for that price now.. maybe some older BMW 325xi or subarus, but i doubt youll find any STi's for that price.
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What's the goal for the car? For $12k you should be able to pick up any of the following:
*WRX
*Early Evo
*Galant VR-4 (assuming you can find one)
*Turbo AWD DSM (Laser/Talon/Eclipse)
*3000GT VR-4/Stealth RT
*Celica AllTrac
*Camry AllTrac (assuming you can find one)
*Impreza 2.5RS
*UrQuattro

I'm guessing you might be able to find one of the various VW/Audi 4motion/Quattro rides out there, I'm not big on euro cars, though.

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Well to start i want to make this my dd... my stang will soon be my project car... I want to autocross with the awd car... more or less just for fun... I live on some roads with massive curves and would like to have a car that is a great dd and can handle these roads (and the snow in the winter)... I dont really want a fart cannon car... i hate that noise... ive recently been looking into audi's and really like what im seeing... how much do you think the insurance would run on an a4 or a6? I really like the a6 and would love to get my hands on one of them... im 22 and have no points on my license....


thanks for the ideas so far... ill start doing some research on these cars and see what i come up with...

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Evo FTW...i duno for 12k tho lol.. im sure u can get a used A4 for 12k

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I'm very skiddish around used, and even new VWs and Audis, due to at least perceived electrical issues. I'll take a used Toyota over *anything* used and European made, and the early WRX (2.0L car) is arguably the best DD you could hope to buy. 217hp doesn't sound like much compared to the 450hp that everyone around here seems to have, but it's enough to have fun, and be able to push the car to something resembling it's limits on public roads without grossly endangering yourself or others.

Personally, I'd go for the Celica AllTrac, myself. The 3S-GTE is the best 4-cylinder gas motor ever made (craps all over the SR20DET), is tweakable to 275hp, and if you want to get into turbo swaps, capable of over 400hp fairly easily (I've heard of examples in the 600hp range, though these were race motors). From the factory you're talking a yamaha DOHC head (same as a SHO) and fully forged internals.

The only downside to the Celica is finding aftermarket suspension components. Because of the AllTrac's rarity, it's difficult to find anything for the rears. That being the case, I'd probably end up with the Subaru. EJ20s are rock-solid motors and boxer engines do NOT sound anything like the fart cannon you referenced earlier (I've heard one system that sounded like a small-block at idle). As popular as they are, you'll be able to find all sorts of parts to mod them, and subaru AWD is some of the best in the world.

Get whatever makes you happy, though.

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well i havent been able to find the celica you have been referring to so ive been looking into some wrx's... i found this and i dont belive it to be true lol... so im asking the guy for a vin number and i wanted to check that the prices and milage he posted was correct... if its all correct which i cant imagine... im going to look into that

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No way in heck is that price right... an '04 STi for under $5k?!? Something's fishy here. I'm wondering if it's a "pay me this much and then take over my payments" kinda deal.

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definitely go bmw

You can pick up a very clean low mileage E30 325iX (1989-1992) for less then 5 grand. Undoubtedly one of the best handling cars ever built, snow, wet, and dry. and still average 27+ mpg in the city

These things are indestructible, and parts for these cars are so easily found and cheap its not even funny. When most people think bmw, they think expensive and hard to find. BOTH wrong.

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definitely go bmw

You can pick up a very clean low mileage E30 325iX (1989-1992) for less then 5 grand. Undoubtedly one of the best handling cars ever built, snow, wet, and dry. and still average 27+ mpg in the city

These things are indestructible, and parts for these cars are so easily found and cheap its not even funny. When most people think bmw, they think expensive and hard to find. BOTH wrong.

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I don't disagree with anything you're saying, the only issue I'd have with the bimmer is 168 crank hp, in a high-loss drivetrain, in a car that weighs >3k lbs. My estimates make that 130hp at the tires on an N/A motor (i.e, no easy turn up the boost power).

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the cars curb weight is around 2300 pounds, and surely the car makes up for the horsepower in the corners, the car gets up and goes believe me.

I have an 85 318i, non AWD which probably makes around 120rwhp, and it could take my 300rwhp maro on the track all day long


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Well here is the email i received from the sti lady....


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First of all I want to thank you for your interest for my car. I am selling it at this price
($4,650) because I just finished the divorce with my husband. When the divorce finished, the car was registered under my name. Now as a woman I don't need it. This car is in excellent working condition, no scratches, flaws or any kind of damage, slightly used in 100% working and looking conditions and comes with a clear title.
From the beginning you have to know that for the payment I request only secure pay, I prefer the payment to be done using eBay services. We will use a safe payment method because I am affiliated at eBay and I have a purchase protection account for $20,000. The final price that I want for this car is $4,650 including shipping and handling.
If you are interested in buying it please provide me your full name and address so I can initiate the deal through eBay.
I will wait your answer(if you are interested to buy) very soon.
Thank you

Any thoughts? im also going to check into some bmw's while i wait for your thoughts...

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Well here is the email i received from the sti lady....





Any thoughts? im also going to check into some bmw's while i wait for your thoughts...
I'd have it inspected by someone you trust, and if it's clean, BUY IT IMMEDIATELY. Even if you don't want it, you can turn around and sell a clean STi for at least $10k.

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the cars curb weight is around 2300 pounds


I'm sorry, but there is NO way that car curbs at 2300 lbs with AWD

According to BMW E30 Specifications, the e30 chassis 325ix has a curb weight of 3010lbs. The only e30 that has a 2300lb curb weight is the 318i, which not only doesn't have the additional weight of the AWD components, but has the lighter 4-cylinder engine.

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i have a 318, so i must of mixed some numbers up


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No worries, man

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you don't need big power do you??

I would suggest looking at a plain jane Impreza... A4's are great... but they aren't reliable until the B6's (model code) came out and even still had some issues
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you don't need big power do you??

I would suggest looking at a plain jane Impreza... A4's are great... but they aren't reliable until the B6's (model code) came out and even still had some issues
2002 Subaru Impreza WRX
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon * Hard to Find!
2002 Subaru Forester S * Custom Intake and Exhaust

love the foresters... pantie droppers right there

nah man i got my sixer... its got all the power i need!

lol jp... but no im not really looking for overall power, more comfort then anything... and i wanna be able to tear up the snow!

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love the foresters... pantie droppers right there
Ugh. I can't stand the Forester. The Outback has more room, better fuel economy with the same engine, and with it's lower center of gravity, better handling and off-road prowess.

The only legitimate reason to get a Forester over an Outback is if you have bad knees and need the more upright seating position. Or if you're too insecure in your masculinity to be seen in a station wagon that doesn't hide the fact it's a station wagon.

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