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post #21 of 39 Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:04 PM
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This is not over, not by a long shot. Unfortunately, we have to keep fighting to just have our very basic of rights. If you are a democrat elected official in a gun-loving, republican state, having your name anywhere behind any gun ban at all would be political suicide and they know that.

Separating the ban from the bill actually is a bad thing. This means they have a higher chance of passing SOME gun control, even though it's not a ban on certain weapons. There's still the background checks on used firearms sales and mandatory registration issues. If it had stayed together as one bill, none of it would've passed. Now they're hoping to at least get mandatory registration and background checks a pass without the AWB attached to it.
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They will more than likely go back to the same band they had in the '90s, I think. People forget that assault weapons have never been banned. They've only temporarily banned certain features of "assault" weapons.

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In my view, there is no such thing as an "assault" weapon. All these things they are calling "assault weapons" are really just sporting rifles. There's even an old ad circling the internet from the early 60s of Armalite advertising their new "AR-15 sporting rifle: The competition shooter you're gonna love!"

Assault is a verb, not an adjective. It's describes an action, not an object.
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This is not over, not by a long shot. Unfortunately, we have to keep fighting to just have our very basic of rights. If you are a democrat elected official in a gun-loving, republican state, having your name anywhere behind any gun ban at all would be political suicide and they know that.

Separating the ban from the bill actually is a bad thing. This means they have a higher chance of passing SOME gun control, even though it's not a ban on certain weapons. There's still the background checks on used firearms sales and mandatory registration issues. If it had stayed together as one bill, none of it would've passed. Now they're hoping to at least get mandatory registration and background checks a pass without the AWB attached to it.
What's wrong with mandatory registration and background checks? I don't see a problem with it but I'm not much of a gun fanatic.

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In my view, there is no such thing as an "assault" weapon. All these things they are calling "assault weapons" are really just sporting rifles. There's even an old ad circling the internet from the early 60s of Armalite advertising their new "AR-15 sporting rifle: The competition shooter you're gonna love!"

Assault is a verb, not an adjective. It's describes an action, not an object.
One of the Merriam Webster dictionary definitions of assault:

a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact


Isn't that exactly what guns were designed to do? Inflict bodily harm? Not only on humans but animals as well. If you go by that definition, every gun is an assault weapon.

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One of the Merriam Webster dictionary definitions of assault:

a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact


Isn't that exactly what guns were designed to do? Inflict bodily harm? Not only on humans but animals as well. If you go by that definition, every gun is an assault weapon.

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whats wrong with mandatory registration and expanding background checks? EVERYTHING!
Gun registration leads to confiscation, every time. No one, especially the feds, needs to know what property I own. There's a reason why the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers wanted to specifically guarantee that US citizens would always stay armed and capable of defending themselves, their property, and their country, as well as having the ability to defend all our other rights.

Assault weapon? Its a false/made up gun category. Yes, by definition, all weapons are assault weapons. It is the nature of a weapon, a tool to use to inflict damage. Calling a gun an "assault" weapon makes it sound scary, which makes it easier for the gun grabbers to push their agenda.

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whats wrong with mandatory registration and expanding background checks? EVERYTHING!
Gun registration leads to confiscation, every time. No one, especially the feds, needs to know what property I own. There's a reason why the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers wanted to specifically guarantee that US citizens would always stay armed and capable of defending themselves, their property, and their country, as well as having the ability to defend all our other rights.

Assault weapon? Its a false/made up gun category. Yes, by definition, all weapons are assault weapons. It is the nature of a weapon, a tool to use to inflict damage. Calling a gun an "assault" weapon makes it sound scary, which makes it easier for the gun grabbers to push their agenda.
Maybe its because I'm not a gun nut and think the government is out to get us, but I still see no problems with mandatory registration and background checks for weapons that were literally invented to kill and have no other use.

It allows guns and gun owners to be tracked more appropriately. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to make a huge post about it now, but I feel like its ridiculous that people are against having to register a gun and have a background check to own one. What does it hurt you? Unless you have something to hide, it literally does nothing that negatively affects you.

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They will more than likely go back to the same band they had in the '90s, I think. People forget that assault weapons have never been banned. They've only temporarily banned certain features of "assault" weapons.
Really grasping at straws to say that though. It's just a matter of semantics since in their eyes it's those features that make an assault weapon; an assault weapon. Pretty sure I would consider automatic an assault weapon but than again it's a lame name anyways.
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Maybe its because I'm not a gun nut and think the government is out to get us, but I still see no problems with mandatory registration and background checks for weapons that were literally invented to kill and have no other use.

It allows guns and gun owners to be tracked more appropriately. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to make a huge post about it now, but I feel like its ridiculous that people are against having to register a gun and have a background check to own one. What does it hurt you? Unless you have something to hide, it literally does nothing that negatively affects you.

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Why do you think *I* should be tracked? BTW, registration would do nothing to track guns. The vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns anyway, how is registration going to make any difference?

The government doesn't need to know what I own or why. I'm a responsible gun owner, not a sex offender. I refuse to register. Registration also leads to confiscation. Take a look at history, it happens every time, and history does repeat itself.

I have nothing to hide but at the same time, I really don't appreciate having to ask permission to exercise my 2nd amendment rights. If that was how it was intended, they would've called it the Bill of Privileges. Those that DO have something to hide aren't going to go through the process anyway. They're just gonna pick their gun up off the black market like they've been doing.

You want to know something funny... the AR-15 was NOT designed to kill. When Armalite designed it, it was designed to serve the roll of a long range competition shooter. Hence their name for it, the "sporting rifle." That's what it is, a sporting rifle. Just because the military copied it's design for the M16 doesn't make the original AR-15 a military rifle.
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One of the Merriam Webster dictionary definitions of assault:

a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact


Isn't that exactly what guns were designed to do? Inflict bodily harm? Not only on humans but animals as well. If you go by that definition, every gun is an assault weapon.

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Maybe its because I'm not a gun nut and think the government is out to get us, but I still see no problems with mandatory registration and background checks for weapons that were literally invented to kill and have no other use.

It allows guns and gun owners to be tracked more appropriately. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to make a huge post about it now, but I feel like its ridiculous that people are against having to register a gun and have a background check to own one. What does it hurt you? Unless you have something to hide, it literally does nothing that negatively affects you.


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You don't have to be a "Gun fanatic" to respect other people's constitutional rights. A Universal background check, and any kind of registration is in violation of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment in the bill of rights. So, it is Illegal.

Also the definition of assault is the concept of its use on another person. You can't use the definition of assault, and apply it to an inanimate object. Like you can't call an object a rape object, just because it is able to be inserted into someone. IE "That Cucumber is a Rape Cucumber, and should be Illegal. No one needs a RAPE CUCUMBER." Don't insult our intelligence with that ignorant grade school logic. You are an adult, and so are we. There are such things as ASSAULT RIFLES, which are such, because they were named that by the military. Because of their Select fire capability, the ability to be changed from semi automatic, to full auto, or burst fire. For the suppression of a squad, or so one could assault a position. There is no such thing as an "ASSAULT WEAPON" it is a made up term. I understand the confusion, but again, you are an educated adult, so you should be able to separate the two.

Thinking the government is going to take over or not isn't the issue. History shows us, measured in the death of millions of innocent people, what gun registration leads to. We are not making this up on our own. There is no need for the government to know what you have in your house, where you are at any given time, or what you do with your life. The only time it needs to, is if you are a criminal. Time and time again, databases full of information that is supposed to be kept secret, has been leaked. Only to the detriment of those that follow these intrusive laws. And again, I don't want anyone knowing what guns I have, or where they are, or how I keep them, or for that matter, how much ammo I have. It is no ones business. It is also again, WELL WITHIN MY RIGHTS. The 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. There are plenty of countries that have taken the rights of their citizens here in Europe where I am stationed. You can come check out how the people are doing. What you think is "NO BIG DEAL" Turns out to be a huge one, in violation of people's rights, and Illegal. Both on moral, and constitutional grounds. The big deal is, with every little shred of freedom we surrender to the government, the less we have. This stuff effects everyone.

In closing, don't demonize someone, or call them crazy because they are wanting to maintain their rights as they are. As they were intended to be. It isn't a "Gun Nut" Issue, it is a human issue. Wanting your rights to be respected, and adhered to, is not an implication of guilt.

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Also everyone, there is no relief. You should be more upset. They are probably going to install the AWB as a rider on a bill that has a high probability of getting passed. Or once they get say, universal background checks, then they can add it as an amendment later. With less public attention on it.

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Maybe its because I'm not a gun nut and think the government is out to get us, but I still see no problems with mandatory registration and background checks for weapons that were literally invented to kill and have no other use.

It allows guns and gun owners to be tracked more appropriately. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to make a huge post about it now, but I feel like its ridiculous that people are against having to register a gun and have a background check to own one. What does it hurt you? Unless you have something to hide, it literally does nothing that negatively affects you.

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You are a sheep. Gun registration is illegal under federal law thanks to the Firearm Protection Act of 1986. The minute they make a law saying I have to register my guns is the minute I become a criminal, I will not register my firearms that I legally bought and posses.

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You don't have to be a "Gun fanatic" to respect other people's constitutional rights. A Universal background check, and any kind of registration is in violation of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment in the bill of rights. So, it is Illegal.

Also the definition of assault is the concept of its use on another person. You can't use the definition of assault, and apply it to an inanimate object. Like you can't call an object a rape object, just because it is able to be inserted into someone. IE "That Cucumber is a Rape Cucumber, and should be Illegal. No one needs a RAPE CUCUMBER." Don't insult our intelligence with that ignorant grade school logic. You are an adult, and so are we. There are such things as ASSAULT RIFLES, which are such, because they were named that by the military. Because of their Select fire capability, the ability to be changed from semi automatic, to full auto, or burst fire. For the suppression of a squad, or so one could assault a position. There is no such thing as an "ASSAULT WEAPON" it is a made up term. I understand the confusion, but again, you are an educated adult, so you should be able to separate the two.

Thinking the government is going to take over or not isn't the issue. History shows us, measured in the death of millions of innocent people, what gun registration leads to. We are not making this up on our own. There is no need for the government to know what you have in your house, where you are at any given time, or what you do with your life. The only time it needs to, is if you are a criminal. Time and time again, databases full of information that is supposed to be kept secret, has been leaked. Only to the detriment of those that follow these intrusive laws. And again, I don't want anyone knowing what guns I have, or where they are, or how I keep them, or for that matter, how much ammo I have. It is no ones business. It is also again, WELL WITHIN MY RIGHTS. The 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. There are plenty of countries that have taken the rights of their citizens here in Europe where I am stationed. You can come check out how the people are doing. What you think is "NO BIG DEAL" Turns out to be a huge one, in violation of people's rights, and Illegal. Both on moral, and constitutional grounds. The big deal is, with every little shred of freedom we surrender to the government, the less we have. This stuff effects everyone.

In closing, don't demonize someone, or call them crazy because they are wanting to maintain their rights as they are. As they were intended to be. It isn't a "Gun Nut" Issue, it is a human issue. Wanting your rights to be respected, and adhered to, is not an implication of guilt.

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Also everyone, there is no relief. You should be more upset. They are probably going to install the AWB as a rider on a bill that has a high probability of getting passed. Or once they get say, universal background checks, then they can add it as an amendment later. With less public attention on it.

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You don't have to be a "Gun fanatic" to respect other people's constitutional rights. A Universal background check, and any kind of registration is in violation of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment in the bill of rights. So, it is Illegal.

Also the definition of assault is the concept of its use on another person. You can't use the definition of assault, and apply it to an inanimate object. Like you can't call an object a rape object, just because it is able to be inserted into someone. IE "That Cucumber is a Rape Cucumber, and should be Illegal. No one needs a RAPE CUCUMBER." Don't insult our intelligence with that ignorant grade school logic. You are an adult, and so are we. There are such things as ASSAULT RIFLES, which are such, because they were named that by the military. Because of their Select fire capability, the ability to be changed from semi automatic, to full auto, or burst fire. For the suppression of a squad, or so one could assault a position. There is no such thing as an "ASSAULT WEAPON" it is a made up term. I understand the confusion, but again, you are an educated adult, so you should be able to separate the two.

Thinking the government is going to take over or not isn't the issue. History shows us, measured in the death of millions of innocent people, what gun registration leads to. We are not making this up on our own. There is no need for the government to know what you have in your house, where you are at any given time, or what you do with your life. The only time it needs to, is if you are a criminal. Time and time again, databases full of information that is supposed to be kept secret, has been leaked. Only to the detriment of those that follow these intrusive laws. And again, I don't want anyone knowing what guns I have, or where they are, or how I keep them, or for that matter, how much ammo I have. It is no ones business. It is also again, WELL WITHIN MY RIGHTS. The 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. There are plenty of countries that have taken the rights of their citizens here in Europe where I am stationed. You can come check out how the people are doing. What you think is "NO BIG DEAL" Turns out to be a huge one, in violation of people's rights, and Illegal. Both on moral, and constitutional grounds. The big deal is, with every little shred of freedom we surrender to the government, the less we have. This stuff effects everyone.

In closing, don't demonize someone, or call them crazy because they are wanting to maintain their rights as they are. As they were intended to be. It isn't a "Gun Nut" Issue, it is a human issue. Wanting your rights to be respected, and adhered to, is not an implication of guilt.

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Also everyone, there is no relief. You should be more upset. They are probably going to install the AWB as a rider on a bill that has a high probability of getting passed. Or once they get say, universal background checks, then they can add it as an amendment later. With less public attention on it.

WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS. ALWAYS. Be informed, Be active, and Defend your rights.

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You don't have to be a "Gun fanatic" to respect other people's constitutional rights. A Universal background check, and any kind of registration is in violation of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment in the bill of rights. So, it is Illegal.

Also the definition of assault is the concept of its use on another person. You can't use the definition of assault, and apply it to an inanimate object. Like you can't call an object a rape object, just because it is able to be inserted into someone. IE "That Cucumber is a Rape Cucumber, and should be Illegal. No one needs a RAPE CUCUMBER." Don't insult our intelligence with that ignorant grade school logic. You are an adult, and so are we. There are such things as ASSAULT RIFLES, which are such, because they were named that by the military. Because of their Select fire capability, the ability to be changed from semi automatic, to full auto, or burst fire. For the suppression of a squad, or so one could assault a position. There is no such thing as an "ASSAULT WEAPON" it is a made up term. I understand the confusion, but again, you are an educated adult, so you should be able to separate the two.

Thinking the government is going to take over or not isn't the issue. History shows us, measured in the death of millions of innocent people, what gun registration leads to. We are not making this up on our own. There is no need for the government to know what you have in your house, where you are at any given time, or what you do with your life. The only time it needs to, is if you are a criminal. Time and time again, databases full of information that is supposed to be kept secret, has been leaked. Only to the detriment of those that follow these intrusive laws. And again, I don't want anyone knowing what guns I have, or where they are, or how I keep them, or for that matter, how much ammo I have. It is no ones business. It is also again, WELL WITHIN MY RIGHTS. The 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. There are plenty of countries that have taken the rights of their citizens here in Europe where I am stationed. You can come check out how the people are doing. What you think is "NO BIG DEAL" Turns out to be a huge one, in violation of people's rights, and Illegal. Both on moral, and constitutional grounds. The big deal is, with every little shred of freedom we surrender to the government, the less we have. This stuff effects everyone.

In closing, don't demonize someone, or call them crazy because they are wanting to maintain their rights as they are. As they were intended to be. It isn't a "Gun Nut" Issue, it is a human issue. Wanting your rights to be respected, and adhered to, is not an implication of guilt.

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Also everyone, there is no relief. You should be more upset. They are probably going to install the AWB as a rider on a bill that has a high probability of getting passed. Or once they get say, universal background checks, then they can add it as an amendment later. With less public attention on it.

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Well, this is why people that think that way will never get it done. They see any resistance, and they bitch out.

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