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Autism and birth defects

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The review also pointed to a Dutch study of 60,000 births which found children born to men over 40 were three times more likely to have autism, and a US study of 5 million births which showed men over 50 had a 15 per cent higher chance of having a baby with birth defects, including congenital heart disease and cleft palates.
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Why do men do this and take this chance? 40's are too damn old to be having kids anyway. Mid life crisis is not an excuse to take this chance. People are so selfish. I dont get why you would make a decision like this when you are over 40. Too late! Too bad. Face it, you dont need another (or your first) child after 40. If you are that hell bent, why not adopt?

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Well perhaps they want a child of their own flesh and blood, since they are over 40 they would more likely be tamer and have financial security. I have multiple friends with fathers older and they tend to be more well mannered with better things since they weren't raised in a struggeling family.

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Well perhaps they want a child of their own flesh and blood, since they are over 40 they would more likely be tamer and have financial security. I have multiple friends with fathers older and they tend to be more well mannered with better things since they weren't raised in a struggeling family.
Im sure this is true in some cases. My Grandfather was 50 years old when my Dad was born and my Dad is fine and always has been. I think that sometimes "nature" speaks to us as humans and we choose not to listen OR block nature out with technology. I mean, if you cant have kids when you are in your 40's because of biological reasons, we are thinking its acceptable to ignore nature and do crazy shit to get pregnant. These statistics are natures way of telling us its against the grain. By the time you are 40, you have had a good 20 years to get your shit together financially, physically, emotionally to have kids. If you are just figuring life out when your in your 40's, there's probably something else wrong anyway. I just think that nature is telling us lots of stuff and being ignored. I dont think its fair to take that chance and "penalize" a child with Autism. It seems selfish to try and have a kid for your own selfish reasons knowing the risks I guess..

Also, girls can have kids physically when they are like 12 and 13 years old. We know there are lots of risks and its socially unacceptable. I dont think this is much different.

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That's fascinating, I never knew men could influence that. I knew women over 40 are going to have a bad time trying to have babies, but men? Do you happen to still have the article? I'd love to read the study. I mean, it makes sense since they are contributing to the fertilization, but I guess I never thought old people sperm was any different than younger person sperm.



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That's fascinating, I never knew men could influence that. I knew women over 40 are going to have a bad time trying to have babies, but men? Do you happen to still have the article? I'd love to read the study. I mean, it makes sense since they are contributing to the fertilization, but I guess I never thought old people sperm was any different than younger person sperm.
The only thing that could be happening with the sperm in and older man is recombinant DNA. I could go into detail how I think the defects can occur with the sperm, but it would probably bore you .

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Fertility clock ticks for men, too

Here is one. Its not the one I read and posted on but it looks like the same statistics and study

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Comparing a 40 year old man that can have a job/is considered an adult to a 12-13 year old having a child is apples and oranges.

Some people simply want to live there life out and when they are older and settled down have children. I know people who have waited till they retire from the military to start a family, theres nothing wrong with it... If the man can't have kids anymore then i agree he shouldn't force pregnancy to happen since its unnatural. But if his juice is still working then he should be able to have a kid.

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The only thing that could be happening with the sperm in and older man is recombinant DNA. I could go into detail how I think the defects can occur with the sperm, but it would probably bore you .
Are you a biologist or just a phisiology hobbyist? Ill read 44 cent's article and get back to you for clarification.



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Are you a biologist or just a phisiology hobbyist? Ill read 44 cent's article and get back to you for clarification.
Ive had a couple courses on cell bio and human anatomy and my one professor gave an interesting perspective on it.

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I agree. I think after 40 is too late. Hell I'm not having anymore after 25. That's for damn sure. I want my kids out before I'm 45. But I started early and never got to really have that careless fun so I want to go ahead and get kids out of the way and enjoy myself when I'm older and more stable. My dad had me at 17 and didn't want me. I see him from time to time but now at 40 his wife is pregnant. It's weird to me. I just think he will be 58 when the kid graduates. And like at least 62 before he finishes college. I love being a young parent and I think that's how it's supposed to be really. You have more energy and more time and stuff.


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Didn't really read the whole thing, but, i have an autistic brother. Now, my mom will take this idea to her grave, but she swears that a medicine promoted my brother being autistic. He went in for shots ( i don't remember which one is the one that "messed him up" ) when he was super little, and apparently he was fine and normal when he went in for the checkup. But when he came out, he seemed like a completely different baby. My mom would easily been able to tell if he was acting weird too since he was her 7th kid.. We still have a suit filed with the government about it, but she knows nothing is ever going to come from it.

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Comparing a 40 year old man that can have a job/is considered an adult to a 12-13 year old having a child is apples and oranges.

Some people simply want to live there life out and when they are older and settled down have children. I know people who have waited till they retire from the military to start a family, theres nothing wrong with it... If the man can't have kids anymore then i agree he shouldn't force pregnancy to happen since its unnatural. But if his juice is still working then he should be able to have a kid.
I was just talking "physically" Alente. Youre right on your point.

I know this. I found out I was having my son when I was still 16. At the time I was obviously in high school and doing my thing. I decided to be the best Dad possible right then and there. Had to make alot of sacrifices I dont even want to get into. I had another more "planned" child in my early 20's. Still married to the same woman. I can say that I personally am super glad I had my son at an early age. It forced me to grow up in a hurry BUT now I am 37 and he's basically grown up. Im still young enough to do anything I want. There are trade offs. I know I wouldnt want to be a "new" Dad right now. Too many risks, Im getting older and less "patient" etc. To each their own. I suppose Im just pointing out it seems to be selfish to have a kid knowing that there are increased risks of nasty birth defects. Sure a 40 year old may be financially set but having finances straight and being a REAL Dad are two separate things.

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The only thing that could be happening with the sperm in and older man is recombinant DNA. I could go into detail how I think the defects can occur with the sperm, but it would probably bore you .
Was gonna mention this. Professor here in Boulder literally just talked about this the other day. Interesting article.
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Was gonna mention this. Professor here in Boulder literally just talked about this the other day. Interesting article.
What did he say? I would like to know. Can't afford college so this is my MM street education. Did he touch on statistics or did he just speak on morality issues?

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What did he say? I would like to know. Can't afford college so this is my MM street education. Did he touch on statistics or did he just speak on morality issues?
Well as i understood it and maybe Carney can correct me if I'm mistaken, but gametes(sex cells) are produced throughout ones life. As a man ages this process is repeated over and over every second, which leads for more room for mutation and mistakes to be made in the process. It was just a little blurp at the end of class.
Im in a molecular genetics class so we didn't really speak much to statistics more of just recognition and determining how/why diseases happen and are passed down.
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Well as i understood it and maybe Carney can correct me if I'm mistaken, but gametes(sex cells) are produced throughout ones life. As a man ages this process is repeated over and over every second, which leads for more room for mutation and mistakes to be made in the process. It was just a little blurp at the end of class.
Im in a molecular genetics class so we didn't really speak much to statistics more of just recognition and determining how/why diseases happen and are passed down.

Pretty much what i was gonna say. Male Gametes, sperm, are produced from the time of puberty to when a man dies. Sperm is produced when a cell with two sets of identical chromosomes undergoes Meiosis and produces 4 sperm is a single set of chromosomes. In Meiosis, the Genes can "cross-over" between chromosomes, and certain genes end up in certain sperm due to meiosis. For the sperm to be produced, DNA has to be replicated. All the DNA in your body replicated in a leading and lagging strand. That leading strand is like a zipper, it is always replicating. The lagging strand is kind of like lego pieces being connected. Since The leading strand blocks part of the lagging strand, the lagging strand has less nucleotides than a leading strand, making it shorter. Those lost nucleotides can never come back. Our DNA has two tails on either end of replication called the Poly-A tail and 5' cap. These two caps are full of worthless nucleotides that can be lost in replication without any injury. My professor said a possible cause in birth defects with older males is these caps run out, and essential DNA sequences are being cut out in replication which can hurt the sperms genome( all the genes of a human) thus affecting the child. Since these nucleotides are never replaced, the lagging strand has a greter effect in later years when the tails wear down.

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I think it has a lot to do with the chemicals they inject kids with these days. I understand you don't want your kids to get sick, but holy shit.

A small part of a long discussion in some stuff I was reading..

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Congressman Dan Burton of Indiana began holding hearings on the relationship between childhood vaccines and autism in the fall of 2001. His grandson became autistic after receiving forty‐nine times the amount of mercury considered safe by the EPA during a visit to his pediatrician who gave him nine vaccines at once. During these hearings, parent after parent told very similar stories. They told of how their normally developing babies had suddenly reversed their development soon after the MMR vaccination or the DPT vaccination. The children spiraled downward into the “vegetable‐like” existence of autistic behavior, in which previously happy, bright children suddenly can no longer learn or communicate, or recognize their parents.

Astonishing testimony was given by experts in the field of autism. For instance, Dr. Michael Goldberg, M.D., explained how it was impossible to have an epidemic based solely on genetics. That’s the standard excuse the CDC and the NIH have been using to explain how autism has gone from being an unknown in 1978 (with an incidence of one in 10,000) to an epidemic in 2000 (with an incidence of one in 166). Research has shown total deficiency of vitamin A in almost all autistic children.

Can you guess what depletes the body of vitamin A? You got it…the MMR vaccination. Amazingly, Big Medicine still insists that there is no connection between toxic mercury preservatives in mandated childhood vaccinations and the astounding increase in autism, despite ample scientific evidence to the contrary.

Dr. John O’Leary, PhD, a world class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state of the art sequencing technology, showed how he had found measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% of normal children. Interestingly, this virus did not come from the natural disease; it came from the measles vaccine.

Finally, Dr. V. Singh, M.D., an autism specialist from Utah, found that in over 400 cases of autism, the children had experienced an autoimmune episode, in which their own body has been made to attack the lining of the nervous system. He stated that 55% of the families said that autism appeared soon after the MMR vaccination and that 33% of families said it appeared soon after the DPT vaccination. Such neurologic damage is a well‐established side effect of the mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde used in these vaccines.
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I think these chemicals (known as shots) really fuck kids up...



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There was mercury in the shots and they lead to autism. There was a class action law suit way back when.

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That Gardasil situation is not indicative of vaccinations generally. The benefits of vaccinating are much greater vs the possible risks to your kid and the kids around him. Just like flouride in the tap water, the reality is much less fearful than the stories make it out to be.



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