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post #171141 of 195170 Old January 25th, 2015, 10:01 PM
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Plus, let's get real here... there's more people that buy hood pins for looks than functionality. They think it looks cool (aka looks like a race car or "race inspired") and so they get them. I see a lot more V6 Mustangs with them than I do GTs.
What exactly is the split on cars that you know don't need hood pins vs ones that do?

The last car I saw was a new edge that had a Kenne Bell 2.6, slicks and skinnies and a 6pt cage. But I better tell him he doesn't need those pins.

I'm not going to lie, my car will get hood pins of some sort before I hit the track, because new edge hoods are pretty flimsy, and catch a ton of air. That's pretty unsettling at high speed, and the results are disasterous. Of course I'll also be using PTFE lines, a scattershield, a plate for the fuel lines near the flywheel housing, and keeping the regulator ahead of the firewall and away from exhaust, per NHRA specs. But hey, I don't need all that, do I?

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No, it's not like saying that at all. You're using an extreme example to try to justify the use of hood pins. A proper example would be having your fuel lines wrapped inside a second protective line incase all other lines of defense fail for some reason. It would be more comparable to a second or third scattershield incase the shattered clutch happens to go through both the bellhousing and 1st scattershield. It would be comparable to putting a 2nd driveshaft loop on your car for... idk, just incase.
Actually when you put it that way it makes plenty of sense.

Plain rubber fuel lines will work. But lining them with PTFE AND a braided outside is additional protection. Like hoodpins.

A plain bellhousing and tunnel will work. But a scattershield gives you an extra layer of protection.

Your car doesn't need a driveshaft loop, the floor should protect you just fine, right? The loop is another level of protection, like hoodpins.

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It does not help keep the motor cool. The motor is operating at a constant temp per the thermostat/fans/radiator/coolant in the car. Besides, your motor runs better and more efficiently at higher 190-205*F anyway. I'm sure I'll get blasted for saying this also though.
But counter to your previous point, a cowl hood can also help remove air from the engine bay, reducing recirculation and improving heat transfer.
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Wicked, cowls inherently do not extract air. That's why cowl induction is a thing.

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Guys RDY is obviously just upset that his car is not as fast as BAs, and mine, and babblebots old car because we all needed hood pins.
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Guys RDY is obviously just upset that his car is not as fast as BAs, and mine, and babblebots old car because we all needed hood pins.
You should be more sensitive.

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What exactly is the split on cars that you know don't need hood pins vs ones that do?

The last car I saw was a new edge that had a Kenne Bell 2.6, slicks and skinnies and a 6pt cage. But I better tell him he doesn't need those pins.

I'm not going to lie, my car will get hood pins of some sort before I hit the track, because new edge hoods are pretty flimsy, and catch a ton of air. That's pretty unsettling at high speed, and the results are disasterous. Of course I'll also be using PTFE lines, a scattershield, a plate for the fuel lines near the flywheel housing, and keeping the regulator ahead of the firewall and away from exhaust, per NHRA specs. But hey, I don't need all that, do I?



Actually when you put it that way it makes plenty of sense.

Plain rubber fuel lines will work. But lining them with PTFE AND a braided outside is additional protection. Like hoodpins.

A plain bellhousing and tunnel will work. But a scattershield gives you an extra layer of protection.

Your car doesn't need a driveshaft loop, the floor should protect you just fine, right? The loop is another level of protection, like hoodpins.



But counter to your previous point, a cowl hood can also help remove air from the engine bay, reducing recirculation and improving heat transfer.
A load of X275 and ultra street cars go 150+mph in the 1/8th mile every weekend. I better start telling all those guys they need to install hood pins before they kill themselves.

Do I think PTFE lines should be required from the factory? Sure. The added safety definitely couldn't hurt. The manufacturers, with the NTSB, already did this with the latch though by adding the secondary safety latch.

Ok, your last point makes sense but for really any of our cars in this thread, that's a negligible difference. What happens if the temp drops below the thermostat temp? It closes and heats the engine back up. Hood vents serve the same purpose but do it better and you don't have this tall cowl in your face/view.

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Guys RDY is obviously just upset that his car is not as fast as BAs, and mine, and babblebots old car because we all needed hood pins.
You should be more sensitive.
Have any of them even broken 12's in the 1/4? or 7's in the 1/8th? Been there, done that years ago with my little car. I'm making as much power as you and crack but over a thousand pounds lighter. The exception is the dumpsterfire once it gets running... which I'm still patiently waiting to see happen.

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If i do a windstar swap, ill probly need to shave my hood, or go with a cowl.....

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Wicked, cowls inherently do not extract air. That's why cowl induction is a thing.
Not inherently, but a cowl with a big opening at the rear allows for more airflow to move through the compartment, same as it does on other heat extractor hoods, just in the rear. Same applies to many other trucks and cabovers.

Cowl induction is usually more due to design, where the intake seals up to the hood and the opening is only for the intake to draw in air, rather than the engine compartment, like on the early 70s Chevelles.
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What about functional hood scoops, like shaker systems? I know we covered tmic's tho

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I've enjoyed this discussion. It's been good.

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What about functional hood scoops, like shaker systems? I know we covered tmic's tho
Like I said, there are a few exceptions to the rule. I didn't think about the new edge Mach's when I mentioned the STI or would've included the example.

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Wicked, cowls inherently do not extract air. That's why cowl induction is a thing.
Did he say it extracted air? No, he said it aids in removing air which is 100% true. Air flows in through the grille and radiator. Ends up circulating all over the bay before making it's way out the bottom. Add a cowl, and you have air coming in from the opposite direction, flowing over the engine, meeting the opposing stream, and making it's way out the bottom, while also keeping that frontal stream from flowing right back into the firewall. More air is being removed. When those two airstreams meet, they are going to expand, the air is going to be prevented from flowing upwards because of the hood, so the majority is going to go downwards pretty quick.

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My opinion on the hood pins is they are "ricer" unless you have a real reason for them. I'm running a fiberglass hood on my fox and so far no issues. I've been only to about 105 in the car though.

I've had a factory hood roll up on me. No fun.


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Like I said, there are a few exceptions to the rule. I didn't think about the new edge Mach's when I mentioned the STI or would've included the example.
It has been a good discussion. And i was just wondering if thier was a seperate argument other then tmics

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My opinion on the hood pins is they are "ricer" unless you have a real reason for them. I'm running a fiberglass hood on my fox and so far no issues. I've been only to about 105 in the car though.

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Unless you have a big cowl that requires a take-off hood (or going 200+mph) there's no functionality in real hood pins either. Also, unless you have a carb'd motor with a tall intake manifold or have a tall PD blower, there's no functionality in a big cowl either. Unless it fits the requirements, it fits the definition of a race inspired cosmetic enhancement regardless.
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My hood shakes more than a bunch of preppy whit kids in the hood at night. It could use hood pins for sure but I never felt like drilling my hood.
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