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Yeah, the splitter, basically you run one DVI cable from the computer to the box, then run the cables to the computer monitor and TV from the other side of the box. Then you press a button to switch back and forth. So:



Monitor
| <--- DVI cable
|
Switch---------Computer
|
| <--- DVI-HDMI cable
|
TV

All right I'll grab the box next tomorrow day.


grab the box.


Also: I only have 2 HDMI inputs on my TV. I have 3 inputs now with the PC... I will have:

Rogers box
Xbox
PC


So. Can I run a switch on either end?


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All right. I have a DVI to HDMI cable. I hooked this up, DVI on the tower end, HDMI on the TV end. Forgetting that, the DVI output of the tower is on the motherboard of my PC, and not my graphics card.

Here is a picture with a legend of the back of my tower.

1. HDMI output, connected to my desktop monitor.
2a. ???
2b. ???
3. The DVI output on the mobo.

So how do I make this work? Are those 2 blue connectors on my gfx card also DVI?
The motherboard can output video over DVI-D (white port, 3) and DB-15 "VGA" (blue port, 3).
The graphics card can output video over the DVI-I (blue ports, 2a and 2b) and HDMI (looks like a mini-HDMI port, 1).

Cliff-note on the difference between DVI-D and DVI-I is that -D is strictly digital signals, whereas -I can output both digital and analog signals.

If you have a discrete (also called 'dedicated') graphics card, as you do, then nothing should be connected to the ports on the motherboard ('3').

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My monitor is connected to the graphics card via HDMI cable.

:?

How me do? Do you mean to just run an HDMI cable from the TV to the PC, and when I want to have the TV feeding the TV, just swap out the PC monitor HDMI for the TV HDMI?
I'd suggest using a DVI-* cable for PC -> Monitor, and the HDMI for PC -> TV.

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Thanks Gene.


Ok, I connected my DVI-HDMI cable to the blue output port on the tower. Now I have my desktop background up, but no desktop icons, no mouse pointer, just the background picture.

Ques?
Ah, so in this case, I'd have the DVI-HDMI cable go from either 2a or 2b (blue ports on graphics card) to the monitor, and the HDMI from 1 (probably mini-HDMI port) go to the TV.

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Rick, you have dual DVI on your video card, which means it supports dual monitors. You can get a DVI-to-HDMI adapter and plug that into the DVI, then run an HDMI cable from that into the TV. The TV will, at that point, take the place as a second monitor, so to use it, you'll just pull whatever over onto the TV.

If you want the TV to act as the main monitor as well, Genevieve's suggestion will work, you just need to swap cables whenever you want to use the other device OR pick up a dual-channel splitter.

The VGA and DVI on the computer's motherboard will be disabled because of the plug in cord





It's now acting as a second monitor. Move your mouse to the far right of your main monitor and you'll see it on the TV. Just drag everything over, et voila!
Careful on assuming which side the secondary monitor is on - my secondary monitor is to the left

My setup (when I feel the need for dual monitors, laptop is right-most screen):
Code:
+-------------+
|    1920     +-----------+
|      x      |  1366  x  +
|    1080     |     768   +
+-------------+-----------+
Windows (at least Vista/7) will automatically start it on the right, but you can drag it around in the dialog box to suit the particulars of your situation.

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All right I'll grab the box next tomorrow day.


grab the box.


Also: I only have 2 HDMI inputs on my TV. I have 3 inputs now with the PC... I will have:

Rogers box
Xbox
PC


So. Can I run a switch on either end?




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What's the TV model, if you don't mind answering? If you don't know, a picture of the ports area of the TV would work too. That could be useful for determining other options for input as well, such that instead of a switcher, you could have multiple input sources (HDMI 1, HDMI 2, PC/VGA/DVI 1, ...) that would help mitigate the need for even more stuff, plus be switchable from the couch.

That way:
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If you plan on having more devices, such as a PS4, then an HDMI switcher may come in handy.
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The motherboard can output video over DVI-D (white port, 3) and DB-15 "VGA" (blue port, 3).
The graphics card can output video over the DVI-I (blue ports, 2a and 2b) and HDMI (looks like a mini-HDMI port, 1).

Cliff-note on the difference between DVI-D and DVI-I is that -D is strictly digital signals, whereas -I can output both digital and analog signals.

If you have a discrete (also called 'dedicated') graphics card, as you do, then nothing should be connected to the ports on the motherboard ('3').



I'd suggest using a DVI-* cable for PC -> Monitor, and the HDMI for PC -> TV.



Ah, so in this case, I'd have the DVI-HDMI cable go from either 2a or 2b (blue ports on graphics card) to the monitor, and the HDMI from 1 (probably mini-HDMI port) go to the TV.



Careful on assuming which side the secondary monitor is on - my secondary monitor is to the left

My setup (when I feel the need for dual monitors, laptop is right-most screen):
Code:
+-------------+
|    1920     +-----------+
|      x      |  1366  x  +
|    1080     |     768   +
+-------------+-----------+
Windows (at least Vista/7) will automatically start it on the right, but you can drag it around in the dialog box to suit the particulars of your situation.



What's the TV model, if you don't mind answering? If you don't know, a picture of the ports area of the TV would work too. That could be useful for determining other options for input as well, such that instead of a switcher, you could have multiple input sources (HDMI 1, HDMI 2, PC/VGA/DVI 1, ...) that would help mitigate the need for even more stuff, plus be switchable from the couch.

That way:


If you plan on having more devices, such as a PS4, then an HDMI switcher may come in handy.
Thank you. Here are some pictures of the connections available on my Toshiba Regza.

Link: Toshiba 42LZ196 42" Cinema Series Pro high-definition 1080p LCD TV at Crutchfield.com







So you're saying the best way is DVI>PC monitor, and HDMI>TV, correct? If so I'll go grab a 25 foot HDMI cable. The next issue will be is my PC capable of sending an audio signal via the HDMI cable, or will I have to run separate audio cable from the PC to the TV as well? You can see my existing audio outputs on my PC in the pic on the first page. The green plug goes to my Logitech desktop speakers.



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How many engineers does it take to set up a dual monitor....None, that's desktop supports job

Thanks guys. Will do if I run into issues. I'm certain I'll sort it out, it's just something I've never played with before. Mostly, I need to make this as painless as possible so that my wife and daughter can get this working when I'm not home. I have no issues myself making stuff work, as I enjoy learning/jerry rigging/playing with stuff to get it going, but that method won't fly for my 2 ladies. lol



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Thank you. Here are some pictures of the connections available on my Toshiba Regza.

Link: Toshiba 42LZ196 42" Cinema Series Pro high-definition 1080p LCD TV at Crutchfield.com

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So you're saying the best way is DVI>PC monitor, and HDMI>TV, correct? If so I'll go grab a 25 foot HDMI cable. The next issue will be is my PC capable of sending an audio signal via the HDMI cable, or will I have to run separate audio cable from the PC to the TV as well? You can see my existing audio outputs on my PC in the pic on the first page. The green plug goes to my Logitech desktop speakers.
In terms of the PC to the monitor, the best way would be DP* > PC, but in your current setup, I believe the DVI > PC is the best, yes.

Here's a couple of options for your consideration, now that I've seen the TV's connections:

Option 1: TV-controlled input selection


input i: From PC via DVI to DB-15 converter (not ideal)
input ii: Either the Rogers box or the Xbox
input iii: If (ii) is the Rogers box, then this is the Xbox. If (ii) is the Xbox, then this is the Rogers box.

----

Option 2: TV and HDMI switcher input selection


input i: Either the HDMI switcher or one input source of your choice.
input ii: If the HDMI switcher has enough input ports, than this input source may not be needed; consider this input to be a type of 'overflow' if you have more HDMI sources than the HDMI switcher provides.

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Another option (I don't have a quick picture) you might consider, if the Rogers box (I'm assuming that's the cable box) offers the connection, is to connect it via the Cable input (to the left of HDMI 1, when facing the TV connections). This would 'free' the two HDMI sources to be the PC and Xbox.

If your TV service supports it (ask them), you might be able to skip the Rogers box completely and connect it from the wall to the TV at the cable port (you may need to read some documentation on this, but some TVs can perform the selection of TV channels, usually called the 'TV tuner').

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The one thing I like about these kind of questions is that there are many options to choose from. If you're serious about the TV becoming a central fixture (movies, shows, et cetera... but we know you want the big screen prawn), then I'd suggest throwing in an HDMI-capable A/V receiver setup. This will allow you to handle the HDMI sourcing a little easier (it seems you need a 3-in/1-out setup, at the minimum). A side benefit is that you only have one HDMI connection to the TV, as everything plugs into the receiver, which then controls the input selection (the video is 'passed through' to the TV, while the audio is intercepted and played through the speakers).

For example, here's a 4-to-1 HDMI In/Out setup (with speakers).

The 'problem' with this approach is more wires, which can get a bit confusing, as well as needing to turn on 2 (or 3 devices, if the computer is off) before enjoying your content. The cool thing is, the receiver is pretty much a one-time setup. After the initial setup, 'it just works', after getting used to the new way of doing things (turn on TV, turn on receiver, select input source, go).

hmm: Newegg has the manual for the model number.

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Ah, another option: Have a dedicated computer for the TV, what is known as an HTPC ("home theater PC"). The main function of these computers is to access and display your content. Here's an example HTPC (by no means the best), but if you have some spare parts laying about, you can also build your own HTPC.

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*(DisplayPort, a newer connector type, but hasn't really 'gone mainstream' enough to become saturated as part of many home setups...)

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Recommendation: The A/V setup I linked to makes a compelling option, in my opinion, and for simplicity, I would suggest getting that, as it has plenty of inputs for what I see you're currently using, plus a few options for adding more devices later (like a PS4). I would also recommend getting an HTPC, as that will segregate user concerns (PC-centric usage/TV-centric usage), but that might the next "upgrade" for centralizing your entertainment area.
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Rick if your gonna still end up buying a 25 foot HDMI cable try HDMI Cables - Monoprice.com
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Well crapola. I forgot that it's HDMI mini on my gfx card in the PC. Can't find a 25 or 30 foot long mini to HDMI on that website. Is it fine to use an HDMI extension?

Also: does and HDMI switch need to be powered?



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---------- Post added at 07:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 PM ----------

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Then pick an HDMI cable to suit.

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