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post #21 of 47 Old January 18th, 2015, 03:03 PM
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I don't hate nitrous. I just don't like having to refill. That's no fun. It'd suck to run out right when you're about to evade the helicopter...

I'm thinking about putting it in my mustang though if I find a decent used kit on CL. Just for fun I suppose.


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Amateurs don't use nitrous. I've seen the way you drive. You've got a heavy foot.
I always thought that was the most ironic statement in F&F

You gotta go WOT for nitrous.
Heavy feet and nitrous systems go together like left nuts and right nuts.

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I don't hate nitrous. I just don't like having to refill. That's no fun.
I always wondered why people thought that was such a downside.
It's really not that bad.

A 10lb bottle will last you a few passes, easy.
I keep three full 10 pound bottles on hand. Go race every Friday. Only have to go buy more juice once a month.

Gotta refill the gas tank pretty often, too. Yeah, everyone hates constantly shelling out money for gas, but does that keep them from driving?

I look at bottle refils the same way as refiling the gas tank, or topping off fluids. Necessary evils.

And on another note...
Yeah, you have to keep paying for refills...but, it's not like the money stops after the install with forced induction either. You burn more gas, maintance costs go up, etc, etc.

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post #24 of 47 Old January 18th, 2015, 04:05 PM
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I don't like the hassle of having it. You can't just use it without a lot of preparation, you gotta make sure the bottle is open and at the right pressure and temp and it can't be too low and you have to fill the bottles and you get all the added costs of boost plus the cost of bottles and its just too much. The only thing id prefer the baby bottle over is a centri.

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I always thought that was the most ironic statement in F&F

You gotta go WOT for nitrous.
Heavy feet and nitrous systems go together like left nuts and right nuts.

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I always wondered why people thought that was such a downside.
It's really not that bad.

A 10lb bottle will last you a few passes, easy.
I keep three full 10 pound bottles on hand. Go race every Friday. Only have to go buy more juice once a month.

Gotta refill the gas tank pretty often, too. Yeah, everyone hates constantly shelling out money for gas, but does that keep them from driving?

I look at bottle refils the same way as refiling the gas tank, or topping off fluids. Necessary evils.

And on another note...
Yeah, you have to keep paying for refills...but, it's not like the money stops after the install with forced induction either. You burn more gas, maintance costs go up, etc, etc.
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I always wondered why people thought that was such a downside.
It's really not that bad.

A 10lb bottle will last you a few passes.

Gotta refill the gas tank pretty often, too. Yeah, everyone hates constantly shelling out money for gas, but does that keep them from driving?

I look at bottle refils the same way as refiling the gas tank, or topping off fluids. Necessary evils.

And on another note...
Yeah, you have to keep paying for refills...but, it's not like the money stops after the install with forced induction either. You burn more gas, maintance costs go up, etc, etc.
You also burn more gas and have more maintenance with nitrous as well so that's cancelled out. Let's take my turbo car against your nitrous car and see how things look between passes. You're changing out bottles, refilling bottles, heating up bottles, etc... meanwhile, I'm kicked back eating a hot dog and enjoying the races until my class is called back to the lanes. While staging, you're having to make sure line pressure is good, purge the system, etc... I just grab the staging brake, bump into the lights, 2-step, and go.

Let's say you make 8 passes that day down the 1/4 mile, 4 passes per 10lb bottle (cause more than that and you're losing power and ET on the same bottle). At $4-5 a pound, that's $50-60 of nitrous you just burned through. Meanwhile, my turbo cost me nothing extra. We burned through similar amount of fuel, same type of fuel, etc... Of those 8 passes, your nitrous car is going to start having some issues after that 4th pass on the same bottle as the pressure starts falling off more and more with the bottle going empty and your ET and MPH suffer. My turbo car on the other hand does the same thing every pass.

Let's say on one or two passes, you have a mental lapse and forget to turn on the nitrous. My turbo takes that user error out of the equation and won me a couple easy races. There's always a couple people that make that mistake every time I'm at the track. If I want more power from my turbo, I can push a button a couple times on my controller for more boost and more power. Meanwhile, you have to pull your car off to the side and change out parts.

Let's take both of our cars out on the street. We're on on-ramps getting on the highway and it's short one so we want to get up to 65-70mph fast to blend into traffic. With my turbo, I can ease the throttle down a little bit, make a few pounds of boost, and be right up to speed in no time. Your on/off switch like nitrous system can't do that, even if you had it primed/purged and ready to go. We're cruising down the interstate and get stuck behind an truck going 55mph. I can leave my car in 5th gear, put the throttle down halfway to build a little boost, and zip right on around without downshifting or taking the motor over 2,500rpm. Your nitrous can't do that. We're driving along and an Evo pulls up by us wanting to race. Oh no, your nitrous bottle isn't heated up, system isn't purged, etc... well, my turbo is. Turn the camera on and watch as the turbo cars show you the satisfaction of always having full power on tap at anytime.

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I don't have a problem with nitrous, but I think comparing filling the bottle up with filling a gas tank is ridiculous. One of them you pull your car up to one of the hundreds of locations in your area, get out of your car, pay, fill up, leave, all in the span of 5 minutes. The other you have to find one of the very few locations in your area that you may very well have to drive 10 or more miles to get to, drag your multiple containers in, wait while someone else fills it, pay them, drag the now heavier multiple containers back to your car, and drive the (potentially) 10 miles back home.

I also don't see how temporary power is a good thing. I'd rather have the power all the time, at the push of a gas pedal, not the push of a button.

Anyone who thinks it's cheating though is full of shit, but I don't think your average educated person would say so.

But yes, nos is fine for cars already making big power, but imo, it's not the way to make big power.

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You also burn more gas and have more maintenance with nitrous as well so that's cancelled out. Let's take my turbo car against your nitrous car and see how things look between passes. You're changing out bottles, refilling bottles, heating up bottles, etc... meanwhile, I'm kicked back eating a hot dog and enjoying the races until my class is called back to the lanes. While staging, you're having to make sure line pressure is good, purge the system, etc... I just grab the staging brake, bump into the lights, 2-step, and go.

Let's say you make 8 passes that day down the 1/4 mile, 4 passes per 10lb bottle (cause more than that and you're losing power and ET on the same bottle). At $4-5 a pound, that's $50-60 of nitrous you just burned through. Meanwhile, my turbo cost me nothing extra. We burned through similar amount of fuel, same type of fuel, etc... Of those 8 passes, your nitrous car is going to start having some issues after that 4th pass on the same bottle as the pressure starts falling off more and more with the bottle going empty and your ET and MPH suffer. My turbo car on the other hand does the same thing every pass.

Let's say on one or two passes, you have a mental lapse and forget to turn on the nitrous. My turbo takes that user error out of the equation and won me a couple easy races. There's always a couple people that make that mistake every time I'm at the track. If I want more power from my turbo, I can push a button a couple times on my controller for more boost and more power. Meanwhile, you have to pull your car off to the side and change out parts.

Let's take both of our cars out on the street. We're on on-ramps getting on the highway and it's short one so we want to get up to 65-70mph fast to blend into traffic. With my turbo, I can ease the throttle down a little bit, make a few pounds of boost, and be right up to speed in no time. Your on/off switch like nitrous system can't do that, even if you had it primed/purged and ready to go. We're cruising down the interstate and get stuck behind an truck going 55mph. I can leave my car in 5th gear, put the throttle down halfway to build a little boost, and zip right on around without downshifting or taking the motor over 2,500rpm. Your nitrous can't do that. We're driving along and an Evo pulls up by us wanting to race. Oh no, your nitrous bottle isn't heated up, system isn't purged, etc... well, my turbo is. Turn the camera on and watch as the turbo cars show you the satisfaction of always having full power on tap at anytime.


I'll take that challenge.

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Most people with nitrous also have badass motors and they don't even need nitrous to beat half the people they race.

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All this talk about bottle heating. I live in the fucking desert. I can count the times I've had to use a bottle heater on one hand.

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You also burn more gas and have more maintenance with nitrous as well so that's cancelled out. Let's take my turbo car against your nitrous car and see how things look between passes. You're changing out bottles, refilling bottles, heating up bottles, etc... meanwhile, I'm kicked back eating a hot dog and enjoying the races until my class is called back to the lanes. While staging, you're having to make sure line pressure is good, purge the system, etc... I just grab the staging brake, bump into the lights, 2-step, and go.

Let's say you make 8 passes that day down the 1/4 mile, 4 passes per 10lb bottle (cause more than that and you're losing power and ET on the same bottle). At $4-5 a pound, that's $50-60 of nitrous you just burned through. Meanwhile, my turbo cost me nothing extra. We burned through similar amount of fuel, same type of fuel, etc... Of those 8 passes, your nitrous car is going to start having some issues after that 4th pass on the same bottle as the pressure starts falling off more and more with the bottle going empty and your ET and MPH suffer. My turbo car on the other hand does the same thing every pass.

Let's say on one or two passes, you have a mental lapse and forget to turn on the nitrous. My turbo takes that user error out of the equation and won me a couple easy races. There's always a couple people that make that mistake every time I'm at the track. If I want more power from my turbo, I can push a button a couple times on my controller for more boost and more power. Meanwhile, you have to pull your car off to the side and change out parts.

Let's take both of our cars out on the street. We're on on-ramps getting on the highway and it's short one so we want to get up to 65-70mph fast to blend into traffic. With my turbo, I can ease the throttle down a little bit, make a few pounds of boost, and be right up to speed in no time. Your on/off switch like nitrous system can't do that, even if you had it primed/purged and ready to go. We're cruising down the interstate and get stuck behind an truck going 55mph. I can leave my car in 5th gear, put the throttle down halfway to build a little boost, and zip right on around without downshifting or taking the motor over 2,500rpm. Your nitrous can't do that. We're driving along and an Evo pulls up by us wanting to race. Oh no, your nitrous bottle isn't heated up, system isn't purged, etc... well, my turbo is. Turn the camera on and watch as the turbo cars show you the satisfaction of always having full power on tap at anytime.
You make no power without boost. Your arguments are irrelevant. We're not talking about stock Civics with 55 shots here. I still make great power without spray.

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You make no power without boost. Your arguments are irrelevant. I still make great power without spray.
Huh? The motor I'm building for my car is over 11:1 static compression and will be seeing 30+psi. It'll make good power still without the boost. The more power you make off boost, the more you'll make with it.

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I was more talking about before building.
Like the goes who just crank up the boost on a stock motor or simply throw in some forged internals and cram as much boost in as possible.


I love turbos, so don't think I'm biased... I'm just making points, same as you.

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Nitrous has a single purpose and it fulfills it's intended purpose extremely well. No you can't use it all the time but it was not meant to be either. My DR's are the best street tire for getting down the road from a dig. Can I use that advantage all the time. No. I'm sure as heck not going to race you down PCH. So to talk about nitrous outside of the box it was meant to be used for is like talking about how shitty my MT streets are for autoX.


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Great point boss.

I like to look at nitrous as a special treat.
Every 1/4 mile pass on spray is like getting some vag.
It's like taking a girl out on a date. You get laid afterwards, and that 10 seconds of pure pleasure when you bust that nut is totally worth the 50-75 dollars you had to spend on dinner.

Feeling that instant 50% (give or take) increase in torque for a brief moment during a race gives me that same feeling.

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I'm not a hater of nitrous. It's just that everything nitrous can do, superchargers and turbos can do better. Nitrous serves it's purpose but it's not the king of power adders like some people make it out to be.

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I agree with Karl Marx here.
"Let the nitrous users tremble at a turbocharger revolution. The turbo cars have nothing to lose but their charge pipes blowing off. They have a world to win. Turbo lovers of all countries, unite!"- Karl Marx

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