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post #21 of 68 Old April 1st, 2015, 03:15 PM
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As rude as it may be, i rarely tip. Rarely, but i will as im not a total scrooge. They chose the job they have for whatever reason. If its minimum wage, so be it. They are paid by their employer. I am not their employer. Want more money, find a better job. As harsh as that is, thats what it comes down to. Life isnt always fair. Tips make people happy, and i understand many make more on tips than their wages but its not, nor should it be, my job to supplement their income.
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You know that the really gay thing is?

The government TAXES on tips. Like wtf and how the fuk is that even allowable????

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When I was a server/bartender I always only claimed just enough tips to make minimum wage. This kept my employer happy and my taxes low.

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i always tip 20% or more, especially for my tattoo artist. he's putting something on my body that will last forever. of course, i will pay good money for it and then some to give him incentive to keep up the quality for future tattoos.

$7 or $8 an hour for 40 hr a week is just not enough to survive in most places. servers make less than minimum because of a loophole where if they don't make a certain amount of money for the hours they work, the restaurant will have to compensate it. even they do compensate it, it would just be $7 or $8 an hour and we're back to square one. they rely on it more than you think, it's where they make real money.

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Yes, we understand that. But the point of the thread is WHY is it expected that we should tip? Why shouldn't the employeer just have to pay them at least minimum wage like any other worker and we not tip them?

I dont buy the stuff of "They offer a service and you can't live off 7 or 8 bucks an hour." I agree with the fact you cant live off 7 or 8 bucks an hour, but there are PLENTY of other jobs in America where people do work for that wage and others do not give them tips simply for showing up and doing their job because "they cant live off 7 or 8 bucks an hour."

For instance, you dont tip the girl at the drive through of McDonalds, yet she is making a non livable minimum wage. Same with cashiers at Walmart, and most other part time retail employee's. You dont tip the kid working the counter at the movie theater for selling you tickets even though hes making a non livable wage.

What I am saying is that just because they make a non livable wage does not mean they should expect to get a tip, because there are plenty of other jobs that offer dirt for pay and they dont get tips. If restaurants actually had to pay waitresses like the rest of companies do, then you wouldn't have to tip.


Think about it. Its a great position. I hire 15 people to work for me, they're all waitresses so I only have to pay them $2.50 an hour out of my pocket. The customers make up the rest of their salary. The restauraunt industry is the only industry in America where the CUSTOMERS pay the workers, not the business. How is that legit? How is it right that you can hire 20 people and pay them less money than a case of soda an hour, and turn the rest of their salary over to the general public that dine there.
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Just think if all industries that had people wait on the public started doing that. The cashier at the grocery store now make $2.00 an hour, so they expect a tip because they rang up all your stuff and as Bwal says "Put them into your buggy". It would be awesome for the retail industry, they would get to pay their employees a 1/4 of what they do now, and the customers would pick up the rest!
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I tip regardless. If I get crappy service which thankfully is rare, I'll reduce it by a bit. I've never been so pissed as to not leave a dime. It could happen though. Funny part is I'm against it.....I think it's bullshit. Pay people a wage. Think about it...for anyone...a welder, a mechanic, a stock boy, a porn star, they don't get paid a penny less per hour if they make a mistake on a rare occasion. If a server screws up an order by accident because they are HUMAN, we feel empowered to cut their pay personally? Ok, then when my food is not quite perfect, I want to cut the cooks pay and cut the hourly rate of the restaraunts accountant too while I'm at it. Tipping is a crap tradition to empower fools. I tip generously and if I can't, I choose another place to go or nowhere at all. I hate it but I'm not penalizing anyone for trying to work for a living when there are so many lazy fucks that won't work at all.

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As rude as it may be, i rarely tip. Rarely, but i will as im not a total scrooge. They chose the job they have for whatever reason. If its minimum wage, so be it. They are paid by their employer. I am not their employer. Want more money, find a better job. As harsh as that is, thats what it comes down to. Life isnt always fair. Tips make people happy, and i understand many make more on tips than their wages but its not, nor should it be, my job to supplement their income.
For a waiter or waitress? WTF
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It's not about any of us being cheap. It's about the premise of tipping being ridiculous. Pay them a normal wage and quit making it seem mandatory that I pick up the slack.
That's sounds like a lot of words to say you're a cheap bastard.

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I tip regardless. If I get crappy service which thankfully is rare, I'll reduce it by a bit. I've never been so pissed as to not leave a dime. It could happen though. Funny part is I'm against it.....I think it's bullshit. Pay people a wage. Think about it...for anyone...a welder, a mechanic, a stock boy, a porn star, they don't get paid a penny less per hour if they make a mistake on a rare occasion. If a server screws up an order by accident because they are HUMAN, we feel empowered to cut their pay personally? Ok, then when my food is not quite perfect, I want to cut the cooks pay and cut the hourly rate of the restaraunts accountant too while I'm at it. Tipping is a crap tradition to empower fools. I tip generously and if I can't, I choose another place to go or nowhere at all. I hate it but I'm not penalizing anyone for trying to work for a living when there are so many lazy fucks that won't work at all.
Your right except for mechanics, most are flat rate. If you mess up, your loosing money to fix it becuase the job only pays so many hours. And if you get a comback, your not makeing any hours fixing what you screwed up so yeah basicly your losing money

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I've been in the industry 35 years now. Mostly in the back of the house, but I've done my share of front of the house duties. First let me lay out a few things that maybe many don't know or understand.

Your margin on a well run free standing restaurant is about a nickle on a dollar. More for franchises and chains where you have a support infrastructure. And maybe even more if you are attached to something like a golf course like I am because utilities don't come out of our budget. Food cost is anywhere in the 30%-34%. Labor cost can run anywhere from 18%-28% and even higher. It is a low margin business.

If employers were to pay more to get quality people in there you would end up paying for it with higher prices so it comes out of your pocket anyways. in all those other countries where they don't tip, your wrong. The tip is included in the price of the food. So basically in other countries they add the tip as if you had an added tip here. Same same, just looks different on paper.

Let me know how your dining experience is your server is making less than $250 a week take home. It's easy to say that they choose to do the dirty nasty job of waiting on all the slobs and demanding impertinent customers. But I guarantee you that those same people would not be doing that job if they were not making tips. That would leave you with some pretty shitty service. So whether you tip or your tip is added it comes out the same, you just don't have any control over it. Why restaurants don't just add the tip into your cost is that it promotes shitty service. If the server knows he is going to make 18% or whatever no matter what, do you think he is going to be as attentive? Not. Leaving the tipping up to the customer is what motivates servers to do a good job. Take away that incentive and see what happens.

With all that said I will give you my view of tipping from someone within the industry. Do not feel obligated to tip. Tip according to the level of service you receive. I have tipped out nothing to as high as 50% on a comped meal which happens a lot in this town. If I get a $200 meal comped I will tip about $100. Pass on the wealth. But if you feel you got crappy service tip accordingly. Tipping outside the industry is at your discretion also. If somebody does something above and beyond or treated you with special interest, I have no problem tipping and showing my appreciation. My tranny shop cut me a deal and did some work pretty cheaply because we've built up a relationship. Last time my car was serviced I didn't tip cash but sent them a couple of pizzas. The guy that did my differential work got a 12-pack that Friday.

So don't feel obligated but give what you feel they deserve.

Oh and to clear up why some places add a tip it's usually because it is a larger party or it's prearranged. These larger groups take a lot more work and attention which limits the amount of service they give to their smaller tables. So their tips from the smaller tables suffers and then when they don't make money on the larger groups, it's like a double edged sword.


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i never tip. im already paying $10+ for a meal so im not spending any more of my hard earned money than i have to. im a cheap asshole.




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I've been in the industry 35 years now. Mostly in the back of the house, but I've done my share of front of the house duties. First let me lay out a few things that maybe many don't know or understand.

Your margin on a well run free standing restaurant is about a nickle on a dollar. More for franchises and chains where you have a support infrastructure. And maybe even more if you are attached to something like a golf course like I am because utilities don't come out of our budget. Food cost is anywhere in the 30%-34%. Labor cost can run anywhere from 18%-28% and even higher. It is a low margin business.

If employers were to pay more to get quality people in there you would end up paying for it with higher prices so it comes out of your pocket anyways. in all those other countries where they don't tip, your wrong. The tip is included in the price of the food. So basically in other countries they add the tip as if you had an added tip here. Same same, just looks different on paper.

Let me know how your dining experience is your server is making less than $250 a week take home. It's easy to say that they choose to do the dirty nasty job of waiting on all the slobs and demanding impertinent customers. But I guarantee you that those same people would not be doing that job if they were not making tips. That would leave you with some pretty shitty service. So whether you tip or your tip is added it comes out the same, you just don't have any control over it. Why restaurants don't just add the tip into your cost is that it promotes shitty service. If the server knows he is going to make 18% or whatever no matter what, do you think he is going to be as attentive? Not. Leaving the tipping up to the customer is what motivates servers to do a good job. Take away that incentive and see what happens.

With all that said I will give you my view of tipping from someone within the industry. Do not feel obligated to tip. Tip according to the level of service you receive. I have tipped out nothing to as high as 50% on a comped meal which happens a lot in this town. If I get a $200 meal comped I will tip about $100. Pass on the wealth. But if you feel you got crappy service tip accordingly. Tipping outside the industry is at your discretion also. If somebody does something above and beyond or treated you with special interest, I have no problem tipping and showing my appreciation. My tranny shop cut me a deal and did some work pretty cheaply because we've built up a relationship. Last time my car was serviced I didn't tip cash but sent them a couple of pizzas. The guy that did my differential work got a 12-pack that Friday.

So don't feel obligated but give what you feel they deserve.

Oh and to clear up why some places add a tip it's usually because it is a larger party or it's prearranged. These larger groups take a lot more work and attention which limits the amount of service they give to their smaller tables. So their tips from the smaller tables suffers and then when they don't make money on the larger groups, it's like a double edged sword.
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i never tip. im already paying $10+ for a meal so im not spending any more of my hard earned money than i have to. im a cheap asshole.
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I don't tip at places like pepper jax. They have a tip jar there, but you pick up after yourself, they don't bring the food to you and you throw out your own trash. I guess if you left it at the table they would eventual get it But it's like a subway with a grill. I don't tip at subway and I'm not going to tip where I stand to wait for food. I do some nasty shit people don't even know about. Unless someone flushes a $10 I am going to see shit



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I've been in the industry 35 years now. Mostly in the back of the house, but I've done my share of front of the house duties. First let me lay out a few things that maybe many don't know or understand.

Your margin on a well run free standing restaurant is about a nickle on a dollar. More for franchises and chains where you have a support infrastructure. And maybe even more if you are attached to something like a golf course like I am because utilities don't come out of our budget. Food cost is anywhere in the 30%-34%. Labor cost can run anywhere from 18%-28% and even higher. It is a low margin business.

If employers were to pay more to get quality people in there you would end up paying for it with higher prices so it comes out of your pocket anyways. in all those other countries where they don't tip, your wrong. The tip is included in the price of the food. So basically in other countries they add the tip as if you had an added tip here. Same same, just looks different on paper.

Let me know how your dining experience is your server is making less than $250 a week take home. It's easy to say that they choose to do the dirty nasty job of waiting on all the slobs and demanding impertinent customers. But I guarantee you that those same people would not be doing that job if they were not making tips. That would leave you with some pretty shitty service. So whether you tip or your tip is added it comes out the same, you just don't have any control over it. Why restaurants don't just add the tip into your cost is that it promotes shitty service. If the server knows he is going to make 18% or whatever no matter what, do you think he is going to be as attentive? Not. Leaving the tipping up to the customer is what motivates servers to do a good job. Take away that incentive and see what happens.

With all that said I will give you my view of tipping from someone within the industry. Do not feel obligated to tip. Tip according to the level of service you receive. I have tipped out nothing to as high as 50% on a comped meal which happens a lot in this town. If I get a $200 meal comped I will tip about $100. Pass on the wealth. But if you feel you got crappy service tip accordingly. Tipping outside the industry is at your discretion also. If somebody does something above and beyond or treated you with special interest, I have no problem tipping and showing my appreciation. My tranny shop cut me a deal and did some work pretty cheaply because we've built up a relationship. Last time my car was serviced I didn't tip cash but sent them a couple of pizzas. The guy that did my differential work got a 12-pack that Friday.

So don't feel obligated but give what you feel they deserve.

Oh and to clear up why some places add a tip it's usually because it is a larger party or it's prearranged. These larger groups take a lot more work and attention which limits the amount of service they give to their smaller tables. So their tips from the smaller tables suffers and then when they don't make money on the larger groups, it's like a double edged sword.
Thank You for actually posting something that has actual knowledge in it. As someone in college and working part time in a restaurant, all of this is true. All our servers bust our butt giving the best service we can and I would love to see people's reaction to the service they would receive if servers didn't make the money they rely on from tips. I know I wouldn't be putting up with half the people in this thread that say they don't tip or tip crappy because "we chose this job". Dumbest thing I've heard all day

And for the record if you receive bad service, tip accordingly but I always tip good. I always told myself I would never work in a restaurant but working in one for the past few months gives me a solid appreciation for those that do and the hard work it takes to do it.



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I wish I got tips. It would make my fucking week if one of the flight crew slipped me a 20 after busting my ass to fix their airplane so they could make their takeoff time instead of doing the job at a more comfortable pace. But half of the time I don't even get a thank you. It's always just chief do this and chief do that, but whatever its life.

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I honestly tip on service, when it comes to eating establishments. If its something else they get a tip if they make me happy. One example, Tow truck drivers. I had my ball joint break on a Crown vic, cut the tire and everything. First driver who came and pick the car up got a tip, why? because he cared about the car it was a difficult pick up because of the location in the parking lot, he put the car perfectly where i wanted it and everything. I gave him a $20 tip. Fast foward a few months to my car going to the shop, super easy pick up this time. the 2nd driver didnt give a shit about my car. he simply man handled it on to the bed scraping my front bumper on the ground and everything. Could he have picked up the car more smoothly for sure. He was in such a haste he destroyed my spare time because he didnt want to do it slowly. he was all about speed and didnt give shit how much he damaged my car. so fuck that he isnt getting a tip. I have the same process with wait staff and i have noticed that if i am dressed very nicely, they give me better service. because they think ill automatically give a big tip so i dont get dressy when im going out. But i want good waiters to stay in the business. I have tipped upwards of 50% before for amazing service, if i have shit service like bottom of the barrel bad, i will leave a penny. I want them to know i thought about the tip and that they need to GTFO of that business.



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