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post #1 of 41 Old August 1st, 2015, 03:38 AM Thread Starter
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Ky. man shoots drone down, faces two felony charges

If it turns out that the drone was hovering over that guys property then I think he had every right to shoot that thing down.

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272 feet seems a little high to take it down with a shotgun.



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272 feet seems a little high to take it down with a shotgun.
Especially when you consider it was #8 birdshot. At 272 feet? LOL

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As an avid drone pilot, this isn't really surprising. There is a HUGE grey area on if people own the airspace above their property. Even if the drone was hovering 10' off the ground, he's not on anyone's property because people don't own airspace above their property. For people in the RC community, this is a large area that has failed to be addressed by the government for a long time.

That said, if i had a drone flying over my property I would let it go. If I had a drone loitering around my property and flying at 10' looking around, I would also shoot it down. In this particular story, the good news for whoever isn't lying is that it's a Phantom from DJI. The DJI software will log the flight paths (including altitude) and that information can be shown. It's a simple matter of plugging the flight controller into the computer, pulling that information, and you can see if the drone was 10' in the air or 250' in the air. Obviously the article doesn't get that information, but something tells me if the guy is being charge the police have pulled that information and it was up in the air. It's not hard to claim you used #8 birdshot and actually use something bigger.

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i don't know, i'm kind of torn on this. the first article i read about this the other day said the drone pilots were hired by the neighbors to take photos of their property, and might have flown over merideths's property on accident. the article posted here only says it was first seen over the neighbor's house and "the neighbor confirms that"

this article also says "the drone pilot decided to stop his vehicle and get an electronic eyeful" there was no mention of that in the article i read a few days ago, and merideth only casually mentioned after the fact that his daughter was tanning at that time and he didn't know if that's what they were trying film or not.

sounds like either his story is changing, or one of the news sources is trying to push an opinion or something

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There was another article that said his 16yo daughter was laying out by the pool. It's like the movie Porky's but in the Skynet era.





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Kentucky man shoots down drone spying on 16-year-old daughter

But then in an interview with link to the source interview, it never comes up.


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hmm... I'm sure you could find a way to hack a drone, right? That's probably what I'd do. Hack it, take control of it myself, and then calmly fly it right back to the owner's house. lol

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hmm... I'm sure you could find a way to hack a drone, right? That's probably what I'd do. Hack it, take control of it myself, and then calmly fly it right into a pond. lol
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Saw this, interested in how it turns out. I've thought about using drones for aerial photos of job sites and houses. Taking a photo of a building or house, I wouldn't want to be right over the house. I would end up being over someone else's property to get a good vantage point beyond just having an aerial view.
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Saw this, interested in how it turns out. I've thought about using drones for aerial photos of job sites and houses. Taking a photo of a building or house, I wouldn't want to be right over the house. I would end up being over someone else's property to get a good vantage point beyond just having an aerial view.
It's a pretty cut and dry case actually. City law forbids discharging a firearm within city limits. Doesn't matter that he shot at a drone, or if it were a 30 point buck. He broke the law for shooting his gun inside city limits. Not sure if that is punishable by fine, jail time, etc.

The real thing is how the judge reads it. Was the drone trespassing and a potential safety/security threat? If it was filming his daughter, I'd side more with the homeowner. If it was legitimately filming another house for real estate purposes (which I doubt, don't really see that helping the heavily staged real estate pictures much) then sadly I have to side with the drone owner. Granted, he shouldn't be flying it over other's property.

We'll have to see what was on the recording and what the flight log says.

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If it was legitimately filming another house for real estate purposes (which I doubt, don't really see that helping the heavily staged real estate pictures much) then sadly I have to side with the drone owner. Granted, he shouldn't be flying it over other's property.
Drones are used quite often in real estate photos. Obviously not for a $100,000 house but you know what I mean. I guess I'd have to see the house to give an opinion on if it was being used for that purpose but even then nothing says they weren't. Hopefully law enforcement can see all of the captured data with nothing deleted, etc.
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hmm... I'm sure you could find a way to hack a drone, right? That's probably what I'd do. Hack it, take control of it myself, and then calmly fly it right back to the owner's house. lol
I'm sorry, that's not what you would do. That might be what you would claim to do on the internet, but you wouldn't because you don't know how. Nothing personal in that statement. I just get a good laugh when people online act as a "smart tough guy" when in reality they don't know anything about the topic at hand.

Back 20 years ago you could simply try to find the control frequency, send out a stronger signal, and hijack the controls. On modern RC planes/quads you have to set up the Tx and Rx before flight and bind them together. This sets up a "handshake" that has 2 encryptions to prevent someone else from controlling. Not only is it encrypted, the signal also hops to different frequencies if the one it's on becomes too noisy. Bottom line, you're not hijacking controls on a modern RC quad without major electronic know how, programming, and equipment.

What you could do if you happened to know the frequency of their video Tx on the quad (again, knowing this w/out actually having the quad is going to be tough) is transmit your own signal on that same frequency. This would cause them to pick up your video signal and lose the one on the quads (more likely it would just come across as static from the 2 signals interfering). This works because the video signals aren't encrypted and anyone can hop on them. But on a Phantom like the quad in question, if the pilot lost video they just flip the return to home and it flies way up in the air and automatically returns home.

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I'm sorry, that's not what you would do. That might be what you would claim to do on the internet, but you wouldn't because you don't know how. Nothing personal in that statement. I just get a good laugh when people online act as a "smart tough guy" when in reality they don't know anything about the topic at hand.

Back 20 years ago you could simply try to find the control frequency, send out a stronger signal, and hijack the controls. On modern RC planes/quads you have to set up the Tx and Rx before flight and bind them together. This sets up a "handshake" that has 2 encryptions to prevent someone else from controlling. Not only is it encrypted, the signal also hops to different frequencies if the one it's on becomes too noisy. Bottom line, you're not hijacking controls on a modern RC quad without major electronic know how, programming, and equipment.

What you could do if you happened to know the frequency of their video Tx on the quad (again, knowing this w/out actually having the quad is going to be tough) is transmit your own signal on that same frequency. This would cause them to pick up your video signal and lose the one on the quads (more likely it would just come across as static from the 2 signals interfering). This works because the video signals aren't encrypted and anyone can hop on them. But on a Phantom like the quad in question, if the pilot lost video they just flip the return to home and it flies way up in the air and automatically returns home.
It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard. I thought it was obvious I was joking but evidently not obvious enough for those who have a little sand in their hooch. Pretty much everybody here knows I'd be the one to fire the first shot at it.
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Yaaaaay Louisville! This whole thing has been a soup sandwich since it started. The dude came out saying that it was hovering like 10 feet over his backyard and was looking into his windows and then the drone pilot came out with the GPS and showed it being above 200 feet.

Honestly, I think it's just a clear cut case of this dude being a second amendment warrior and overreacting. Especially beings that it happened in Hillview. I used to live near there not too long ago and there are some interesting individuals out there.

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I'm completely torn on this matter as well. Drones are good and well if just flying around, but I feel like the ability to abuse them is so high that it instills fear into people when it comes to their privacy. If I were in my backyard by the pool enjoying a drink, I wouldn't be happy if a drone was just hovering above me with a camera. Since I'm a dude and this is highly unlikely, I'm sure a woman would feel even more violated if this happened to them. I feel people have a reasonable right to privacy when they are on their private land and drone flyers should respect this. In the same token, drones being shot down in neighborhoods is dangerous as "what comes up must come down". Reminds me of people getting hit by stray bullets on July 4th or New Years.

I'm curious, would you face the same chargers if you were to shoot down the drone with a pellet gun or other form of non-lethal tactics such as a sling shot? I know these drones aren't cheap so the cost of destroying one is high.

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I am with the drone owner unless he wasn't hovering 200ft off the ground or was taking video of some girl tanning regardless of her age. The guy who discharged his firearm needs to be reminded that its against the law. Maybe a fine or a little bit of prison time (idk what the penalties are) but if you can't shoot at a aircraft such as a helicopter, then you certainly should not be allowed to shoot at a drone.
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If the dude is being creepy with the drone I would shoot it down. I guess it would be a judgement call. I didn't read the whole post but what are the felony charges? I though airspace violations were FAA related. The FAA hates drones. I would think a drone being shot at in airspace would almost be impossible to prosecute. You may have discharging a firearm in a residential area or something like that but I don't see much else.

These drones are getting a little out of hand in my opinion and need better regulations. Either that or require a special license to have a camera attached. I can see sex offenders using these things. Either that or build an interceptor drone and get into a dogfight lol.
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If the dude is being creepy with the drone I would shoot it down. I guess it would be a judgement call. I didn't read the whole post but what are the felony charges? I though airspace violations were FAA related. The FAA hates drones. I would think a drone being shot at in airspace would almost be impossible to prosecute. You may have discharging a firearm in a residential area or something like that but I don't see much else.

These drones are getting a little out of hand in my opinion and need better regulations. Either that or require a special license to have a camera attached. I can see sex offenders using these things. Either that or build an interceptor drone and get into a dogfight lol.
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