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post #21 of 96 Old April 21st, 2016, 10:32 PM
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I have had this same argument before. I never said the older men are perverted, you said that. Would your daughter, as she is going through puberty, feel safe, feel comfortable, sharing the bathroom, sharing the mirror, with older men she does not know?

There is a reason women and men have different bathrooms.
I agree. "Normal" men are not the concern. Transgendered are the concern, and more than likely there's been one in a bathroom with her or someone else and no one knew the difference.

My attitude is, if you're a man, look like a man, dress like a man, use the men's room. If you're a woman,look like a woman, dress like a woman, use the women's room. If you're a pervert and go in to peev on people, get curb stomped.
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hey, if this is a step in the direction of men's restrooms having couches, i count it as a win. now we can start pushing for tvs too. because there's nothing i like more than laying on a couch and watching tv. while smelling other people shit all around me
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This world is falling apart rapidly. I dont hate homosexuals, i dont judge transgenders, but why in the hell should 99% have to feel uncomfortable due to what, .03% of the population?
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i dont get it. there was nothing wrong with having separate mens and womens bathrooms for what, the last 100+ years? now all of a sudden its offensive and we need to please the minority. if you disagree youre a bigot. this planet is stupid.
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For those of you who have facebook, were you aware that you can literally type in any gender you want on your page and change it more than you change your socks?

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This shit has been all over my Facebook the last month or so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck who's in the bathroom with me. Young, old, male, female, whatever, I don't care.

I go to the bathroom to do two things.

1) Shit. Loudly.

2) Play candy crush and watch video memes. Also loudly.

Whoever wants to suffer dealing with that shit is more than welcome to.

Also, note the use of 'shit'. Puns are fun.

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Exactly I don't want old guys like Craig in my bathroom.

In the auto building on campus there is only one girls bathroom and you basically have to walk up and across the entire building to get the the directors office because it's "her bathroom". There really aren't any women in that building.

The main bathrooms are a men's and a unisex. And by the looks I've seen on their faces it's awkward for both parties.


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This shit has been all over my Facebook the last month or so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck who's in the bathroom with me. Young, old, male, female, whatever, I don't care.

I go to the bathroom to do two things.

1) Shit. Loudly.

2) Play candy crush and watch video memes. Also loudly.

Whoever wants to suffer dealing with that shit is more than welcome to.

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Most men couldn't care less if a woman walked into their bathroom. Most women do. I'm curious how many supporters have young daughters. I read the comment about follow your daughter in the bathroom and wait but really? You are not with your daughters 24/7. And I will say it again, its not just the bathroom. It's every public locker or dressing room. Predators aside. There is a thing called privacy. Like the problem in Washington, do you really think its appropriate for a 45 year old stranger to walk into a girls dressing room at a public pool and strip naked in front of the pre-teen girls?
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Most men couldn't care less if a woman walked into their bathroom. Most women do. I'm curious how many supporters have young daughters. I read the comment about follow your daughter in the bathroom and wait but really? You are not with your daughters 24/7. And I will say it again, its not just the bathroom. It's every public locker or dressing room. Predators aside. There is a thing called privacy. Like the problem in Washington, do you really think its appropriate for a 45 year old stranger to walk into a girls dressing room at a public pool and strip naked in front of the pre-teen girls?
I agree. It seems like common sense is lost with a lot of people on this issue.

A lot of people say "Transgenders are not pedos". That's great if they're not. That's not what the concern is. It's pedos (regardless of gender) taking advantage are the problem and the real concern. Protecting the .03% of the population so that 99% of the population now have serious concerns is really stupid.

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Most men couldn't care less if a woman walked into their bathroom. Most women do. I'm curious how many supporters have young daughters. I read the comment about follow your daughter in the bathroom and wait but really? You are not with your daughters 24/7. And I will say it again, its not just the bathroom. It's every public locker or dressing room. Predators aside. There is a thing called privacy. Like the problem in Washington, do you really think its appropriate for a 45 year old stranger to walk into a girls dressing room at a public pool and strip naked in front of the pre-teen girls?
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So if I understand this correctly I can say I feel like a woman and use the women's restroom? That's kinda cool I guess. I'm just gonna hang out I. There and creep people out. Maybe I will break out the camera phone too.
FYI, a guy just got caught doing this, can't remember what state. He was dressed as a woman and carrying a purse that had a video camera hidden in it. He was hanging around in the women's room, and would leave the purse in various stalls so he could film women going to the bathroom.

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There is a fine line here somewhere, but where does it get drawn? I have no clue. Gays can be just as feminine as any woman, but they still use the mens. Lesbians can be just as masculine as any man, but still use the womans. If one was born male with all the proper parts they use the mens, because thats what they are. If one was born female with all the proper parts, they use the womans, because thats what they are. If one was born male and became a woman thru sexual reassignment surgery and hormone treatments to complete the transition, i say use the womans. If one was born female and and became a man thru sexual reassignment surgery and hormone treatments to complete the transition, i say use the mens. But what about transvestites that were born 1/2 and 1/2? Which restroom do they use? How would one even know what they were born with, or as, or if they went under the knife? Many men look female but are male, and many females look male but are female. The only way to know is to lift their skirts or drop their pants...not going to happen. What exactly defines gender these days? Is it what you were born with? Is it what you look like? Is it how you feel? Where do we draw the line? I keep coming back to the same thought and that is if it aint broke, dont fix it. The restrooms are/have been just fine the way they are. Keep using the same restroom you have been using all your life.

Also, unless they replace the urinals with a stall, women sharing a restroom would be a bit uncomfortable, would it not, when breastfeeding and a man walks in? They could cover up, but they shouldnt have to in thier own restroom. Men will stare. And what if the stalls are full and a teenage girl has to 'adjust' her self, remove her top or whatever? Men will stare. if there is a gap in between a stall door and hes in there, he will spy on them. Not all, but some. Those same teenagers would probably be freaked out if a man walked in and consider you a perv and claim all sorts of things, or just leave. But if the guy looked like a girl, i doubt they would ever know, or even care. They would probably think you were a lesbian or something. Maybe. I have no idea. Now what if a man walks in and uses a stall, a teenager or female in general walks in and tends to her 'personal needs' in front of the mirror, and there is a gap between the stall wall and door? Whats to stop the man from staring? If he gets spotted, youre a peeping tom, a perv, which wont look good for the guy.

Like i said, if it aint broke dont fix it. I see no need to complicate this stuff.
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There is a fine line here somewhere, but where does it get drawn? I have no clue. Gays can be just as feminine as any woman, but they still use the mens. Lesbians can be just as masculine as any man, but still use the womans. If one was born male with all the proper parts they use the mens, because thats what they are. If one was born female with all the proper parts, they use the womans, because thats what they are. If one was born male and became a woman thru sexual reassignment surgery and hormone treatments to complete the transition, i say use the womans. If one was born female and and became a man thru sexual reassignment surgery and hormone treatments to complete the transition, i say use the mens. But what about transvestites that were born 1/2 and 1/2? Which restroom do they use? How would one even know what they were born with, or as, or if they went under the knife? Many men look female but are male, and many females look male but are female. The only way to know is to lift their skirts or drop their pants...not going to happen. What exactly defines gender these days? Is it what you were born with? Is it what you look like? Is it how you feel? Where do we draw the line? I keep coming back to the same thought and that is if it aint broke, dont fix it. The restrooms are/have been just fine the way they are. Keep using the same restroom you have been using all your life.

Also, unless they replace the urinals with a stall, women sharing a restroom would be a bit uncomfortable, would it not, when breastfeeding and a man walks in? They could cover up, but they shouldnt have to in thier own restroom. Men will stare. And what if the stalls are full and a teenage girl has to 'adjust' her self, remove her top or whatever? Men will stare. if there is a gap in between a stall door and hes in there, he will spy on them. Not all, but some. Those same teenagers would probably be freaked out if a man walked in and consider you a perv and claim all sorts of things, or just leave. But if the guy looked like a girl, i doubt they would ever know, or even care. They would probably think you were a lesbian or something. Maybe. I have no idea. Now what if a man walks in and uses a stall, a teenager or female in general walks in and tends to her 'personal needs' in front of the mirror, and there is a gap between the stall wall and door? Whats to stop the man from staring? If he gets spotted, youre a peeping tom, a perv, which wont look good for the guy.

Like i said, if it aint broke dont fix it. I see no need to complicate this stuff.
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There is a transgendered person on another car board I'm on, who had an interesting response. They did take the role of a victim right off the bat, which I didn't appreciate, but still it offered a little insight.

The main point is that many transgendered people are not also homosexuals. For example, Bruce Jenner. He "identifies" as a female, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that he still is "hetero" sexually.

That's the sum of the big fear that the politicians have, as well as the perverts with the video cameras.
The perverts with the cameras are not and have never been a widespread problem, and will be found out and dealt with accordingly as it happens. Preventing the use of the "wrong" bathroom won't stop it any more than making it harder for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun will prevent murders. It's "looking busy" by the politicians so that they can make it look like they're doing their job.

The stark reality is, the transgendered people among us have been using public bathrooms for as long as they've been dressing as the opposite sex. They're using whatever bathroom they use, and it's been for the most part problem free. We're overthinking this, putting too many "what if" situations in there to try and cover all the bases, when those bases are already covered.

Just because someone is transgendered does not mean they're gay, that they want to spy on little girls or grown women using the bathroom. Have people dressed as women done that? Of course. But they do not represent all transgendered, nor are they in many circumstances even trans themselves. We already have laws against being obscene in public, against being a peeping tom, and against spying on people while they use the toilet facilities. We don't need a separate bathroom just to accommodate an extremely tiny portion of the general population. We need people to just mind their own damn business, go in, pee, poop, wash hands, and leave. If someone is creeping, bust their ass. If someone is taking a dump, let them dump!

More than likely, any of us have been in the bathroom with someone transgendered and nothing bad happened. It's the same level of paranoia and fear that has businesses posting "NO GUNS ALLOWED" signs to keep the law abiding concealed carriers out of their business because you know we're all just ready to snap and start shooting people for not taking the goddamn pickles off our big mac.

It's a dumb argument, and no matter what your opinion on being transgendered is, it's irrelevant UNLESS someone starts being a pervert. IF they do, react. If not, no harm done.
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There is a transgendered person on another car board I'm on, who had an interesting response. They did take the role of a victim right off the bat, which I didn't appreciate, but still it offered a little insight.

The main point is that many transgendered people are not also homosexuals. For example, Bruce Jenner. He "identifies" as a female, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that he still is "hetero" sexually.

That's the sum of the big fear that the politicians have, as well as the perverts with the video cameras.
The perverts with the cameras are not and have never been a widespread problem, and will be found out and dealt with accordingly as it happens. Preventing the use of the "wrong" bathroom won't stop it any more than making it harder for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun will prevent murders. It's "looking busy" by the politicians so that they can make it look like they're doing their job.

The stark reality is, the transgendered people among us have been using public bathrooms for as long as they've been dressing as the opposite sex. They're using whatever bathroom they use, and it's been for the most part problem free. We're overthinking this, putting too many "what if" situations in there to try and cover all the bases, when those bases are already covered.

Just because someone is transgendered does not mean they're gay, that they want to spy on little girls or grown women using the bathroom. Have people dressed as women done that? Of course. But they do not represent all transgendered, nor are they in many circumstances even trans themselves. We already have laws against being obscene in public, against being a peeping tom, and against spying on people while they use the toilet facilities. We don't need a separate bathroom just to accommodate an extremely tiny portion of the general population. We need people to just mind their own damn business, go in, pee, poop, wash hands, and leave. If someone is creeping, bust their ass. If someone is taking a dump, let them dump!

More than likely, any of us have been in the bathroom with someone transgendered and nothing bad happened. It's the same level of paranoia and fear that has businesses posting "NO GUNS ALLOWED" signs to keep the law abiding concealed carriers out of their business because you know we're all just ready to snap and start shooting people for not taking the goddamn pickles off our big mac.

It's a dumb argument, and no matter what your opinion on being transgendered is, it's irrelevant UNLESS someone starts being a pervert. IF they do, react. If not, no harm done.

The whole point your conveying here is irrelevant to why people have a problem with Target and "any sex" bathrooms.

Yes, there have been pervs and peeping toms in the past. But now, more than ever, are they going to have less difficulty doing what they want to. It's like a whole new opportunity for them to do things without looking suspicious. The ones who get caught will be prosecuted, but what about the ones who don't? That's the concern. This has nothing to do with transgenders.

The other thing I see pop up often is "I don't want my little girl going to the bathroom with a bunch of old men" and someone responds with "so why would you take your daughter into the men's restroom". That's the most illogical comparison.

The second scenario is fine because the father is with daughter, and under his supervision. The first scenario is MUCH different. Daughter goes into bathroom alone, and pervs (of any age) now have an easier way to be in an unsupervised room with young girls (or women in general) and they can hide in stalls.

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Here's my two cents on the subject. If someone really wants to go into a bathroom that isn't their gender, what's going to stop them? I could go to any public place right now and walk into the women's room if I wanted to. No amount of legislation is going to stop that.

Yall act like people are going to start kicking open stalls in bathrooms and raping everyone if they are allowed in whatever bathroom they please. It's really not that big of a deal. If you have a problem with it, wait until you get home to take a shit. Problem solved.



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Here's my two cents on the subject. If someone really wants to go into a bathroom that isn't their gender, what's going to stop them? I could go to any public place right now and walk into the women's room if I wanted to. No amount of legislation is going to stop that.
No, there is nothing physically barring you from entering the wrong bathroom, but the legislation/law in North Carolina makes it have consequences and at least defines out any ambiguities. Keeps it from being a free for all.

Kinda like speeding, It's against the law but everybody does it. The ones that get caught pay the consequences. It's those consequences that keeps the majority of people in line.


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