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You think mpg on land is bad lol what does a big block get on the water? Maybe 4mpg. Marina gas was expensive as fuck last time I was on a pontoon. I don't even like going that fast on the water. 35 to 40mph is fast enough for me. I've been on a fiberglass pontoon and hit a tree branch in the middle of the fucking lake and the depth finder said it was 20 feet. That will pucker your starfish. Then we couldn't get it started and forgot some random kill switch so we sat for about 30 min until they finally got a hold of him and he had to drive around the lake and yell from a cliff about where the switch was. Good times of horrible cell reception at the lake 17 years ago.

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That's the problem I ran into when I was Pontoon shopping. People were wanting $18k-$20k for their 15 year old abused boats. You can buy a new one for a few grand more with a warranty...But then I ran into a new problem, which was deciding I wanted a few upgrades, and a few more...And then I ended up spending double my budget!
Yerp. That's like me wanting that gps trolling motor. I would love not having to fuck with an anchor, fishing from wherever I want by not using a foot pedal. $1200 trolling motor on a $400 boat.

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either we dont know how to boat, have terrible luck, or both. every time we would take our boat out wed be cruising along with 30+ feet of water below us them BAM! outta nowhere the depth went to 2feet in the blink of an eye and the prop was throwing a big ass mud rooster tail. i think we replaced 4 propellers in a year. its been parked in the barn for the last 5 years. we just go shore fishing now. cheaper and a lot less frustrating lol.




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I'd love to get my boat back on the water, but it's been raining for a month solid, and now they're closing all the lakes agin because of flooding.

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You think mpg on land is bad lol what does a big block get on the water? Maybe 4mpg. Marina gas was expensive as fuck last time I was on a pontoon.
Oh I'm well aware. I know the fuel usage of those boats is rated in gallons per hour and it's a fuckin' lot.

I remember years ago I was reading a magazine where they tested three cigarettes, all of which had twin big blocks in them. They held 100 gallons of gas and I think the fuel usage on them was like 40 gallons an hour or something.

It would still be fun, I just probably don't even have enough money to keep one of those things fueled much less buy one. Marina gas is ridiculous. When my grandpa had his boat gas was 99 cents a gallon and gas at the marina was $2.50-$3 a gallon, I don't even know what it isnow.

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Craig, that sucks man. I wish it'd rain here more. All we're getting is lousy weather. Not warm, but not freezing and no real moisture.
@ghunt That's why you trailer your boat to a gas station lol
@kyle2002stang! You can't just haul ass in unknown water. It's not like driving, you're no longer on a 2 dimensional plane. Gotta know the shallow spots, or learn them cautiously. I beach my Pontoon, and I always trim the engine up and coast into the sand banks.

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I'd love to get my boat back on the water, but it's been raining for a month solid, and now they're closing all the lakes agin because of flooding.
i hate when there's too much water in the water
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Oh I'm well aware. I know the fuel usage of those boats is rated in gallons per hour and it's a fuckin' lot.

I remember years ago I was reading a magazine where they tested three cigarettes, all of which had twin big blocks in them. They held 100 gallons of gas and I think the fuel usage on them was like 40 gallons an hour or something.

It would still be fun, I just probably don't even have enough money to keep one of those things fueled much less buy one. Marina gas is ridiculous. When my grandpa had his boat gas was 99 cents a gallon and gas at the marina was $2.50-$3 a gallon, I don't even know what it isnow.
Now there is usually a difference between marina gas and gas from your local station. Marina gas (at least around here) contains no ethanol. For me that's a big deal as ethanol absorbs water and the boat is always on the water. I filled up yesterday and it was $3.50/gallon while the local pumps are $2.40/gallon.

The price increase is usually paying for convenience and ethanol free gas.

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@ghunt That's why you trailer your boat to a gas station lol
I thought about that but I thought surely it can't be that easy? But I guess if you're on the lake, or keep the boat at a marina you don't have much choice.

I'm not sure if the marina on the lake near here would have ethanol free gas or not...I'll have to look next time I'm down there. I'd be surprised if they do because almost nobody in this area even carries ethanol free gas.

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i hate when there's too much water in the water
A couple years ago they closed our local reservoir because there was too little water in the water. It was down like 10-15 feet because it rained so little in July and August that year. They were making everyone pull their boats in late August and closed the marina.

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You think mpg on land is bad lol what does a big block get on the water? Maybe 4mpg.
Due to the nature of how boats travel on water (current, wind, waves, weather affects how far you travel on a gallon of fuel), you don't measure fuel usage for boats in MPG (miles per gallon). You measure it in GPH (gallons per hour).

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Now there is usually a difference between marina gas and gas from your local station. Marina gas (at least around here) contains no ethanol. For me that's a big deal as ethanol absorbs water and the boat is always on the water. I filled up yesterday and it was $3.50/gallon while the local pumps are $2.40/gallon.

The price increase is usually paying for convenience and ethanol free gas.
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I thought about that but I thought surely it can't be that easy? But I guess if you're on the lake, or keep the boat at a marina you don't have much choice.

I'm not sure if the marina on the lake near here would have ethanol free gas or not...I'll have to look next time I'm down there. I'd be surprised if they do because almost nobody in this area even carries ethanol free gas.

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A couple years ago they closed our local reservoir because there was too little water in the water. It was down like 10-15 feet because it rained so little in July and August that year. They were making everyone pull their boats in late August and closed the marina.
For trailer boats, standard unleaded fuels with up to 10% ethanol (e.g., UL87, UL91, UL93) fuel is fine, provided that you burn it. You can't leave it in the tank(s) all summer. Since they are not stored on the water, there is generally less chance of the ethanol absorbing water.

With boats that live @ a marina, you don't want to use unleaded fuels with ethanol. Those boats are on the water all season (here in MI, that's about 6 months, but it's year round for warmer climates) and, as such, should avoid it unless you KNOW you'll be burning & replacing it within a reasonable period of time.

Not only are marine fuels ethanol-free, but they typically have detergents and other additives specifically designed to reduce or eliminate corrosion throughout the fuel system and engine. That's another reason for the higher price point. That said, there is another reason: If your boat lives on the lake and you don't trailer it (e.g., too big), you MUST buy your fuel on the water. Captive audience = higher prices "just because they can" ... :/

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If your boat lives on the lake and you don't trailer it (e.g., too big), you MUST buy your fuel on the water. Captive audience = higher prices "just because they can" ... :/
...Or if your boat has a 10'5" beam, then you have no choice!

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Yeah they just said I can't put a boat in the vacant carport next to my truck because I guess they are worried about "appearance" but a lot of car ports sit un rented. Also there is a couple dirty bobcats that have diesel gas runs down the panels like they were ran without a gas cap in the car ports but yeah "appearances"

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I shouldn't even be posting in this thread, the most experience I have with boats is fishing off my grandpa's boat and occasionally getting to pilot it. And that was more than 15 years ago.

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Thats mine. 18ft Bowrider. it gets the job done. i want a boat with a much shallower draft though, have alot of great fishing spots that i can barely get in, that bass tracker 160 looks great though.... i want to grab two jetskis with a tandem trailer before i get another boat though.

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Thats mine. 18ft Bowrider. it gets the job done. i want a boat with a much shallower draft though, have alot of great fishing spots that i can barely get in, that bass tracker 160 looks great though.... i want to grab two jetskis with a tandem trailer before i get another boat though.

That's partially the reason I picked a pontoon (among 2 other large reasons). Can float in about a 1.5ft of water. Nice boat by the way.

I could window shop boats all day long.

I always wanted a jet ski too, but I hear they get kind of boring fast (especially if you don't have a boat)

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I shouldn't even be posting in this thread, the most experience I have with boats is fishing off my grandpa's boat and occasionally getting to pilot it. And that was more than 15 years ago.
Sounds like you need to buy a boat!

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I thought about that but I thought surely it can't be that easy? But I guess if you're on the lake, or keep the boat at a marina you don't have much choice.

I'm not sure if the marina on the lake near here would have ethanol free gas or not...I'll have to look next time I'm down there. I'd be surprised if they do because almost nobody in this area even carries ethanol free gas.

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A couple years ago they closed our local reservoir because there was too little water in the water. It was down like 10-15 feet because it rained so little in July and August that year. They were making everyone pull their boats in late August and closed the marina.
It would definitely be worth checking out if the gas is ethanol free (my guess is that it is). Here there are literally zero places to buy ethanol free gas for cars. No gas stations offer gas without ethanol. However, the marinas at both lakes are ethanol free.

Last year the water at the lake where we have a house got so low I couldn't get my boats off the lift. Thankfully it rained at the end of the season or I honestly don't know how I would have got them off the lifts for winter (most likely would have winterized in place and covered with boat shrink wrap).

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For trailer boats, standard E87 fuel is fine, provided that you burn it. You can't leave it in the tank(s) all summer. Since they are not stored on the water, there is generally less chance of the ethanol absorbing water.

With boats that live @ a marina, you don't want to use E87. Those boats are on the water all season (here in MI, that's about 6 months, but it's year round for warmer climates) and, as such, should avoid E87 unless you KNOW you'll be burning & replacing it within a reasonable period of time.

Not only are marine fuels ethanol-free, but they typically have detergents and other additives specifically designed to reduce or eliminate corrosion throughout the fuel system and engine. That's another reason for the higher price point. That said, there is another reason: If your boat lives on the lake and you don't trailer it (e.g., too big), you MUST buy your fuel on the water. Captive audience = higher prices "just because they can" ... :/
I would never run E85 (assuming that's what you mean by E87) in any boats. The potential is just to high for issues. Several years ago my grandpa bought a brand new pontoon boat and ran standard E10 gas from the local gas stations. The second year he had it the engine developed severe issues and it would die and not run. The dealer replaced the engine because just E10 corroded and deteriorated the fuel system that they apparently decided it was cheaper to replace the whole motor vs replace the fuel system. This is a boat that got used regularly and went through a full gas tank about every 2 weeks. He lives on a channel in the lake and stores his boat on a lift but it's not like the gas was sitting in it for any long period of time. This was also on a brand new boat and not an old motor with old fuel system. With the issues I've seen with E10, there is no way I would ever put E85 anywhere near my boats.

Even if your boat never leaves the lake all season, you're still not forced to buy gas from the marina and it's purely convenience (and ethanol free gas). You can always fill 5 gallon tanks with gas and bring them to the boat to fill up. You could also do like my grandpa did and buy a 40 gallon tank that's on wheels. You fill it up at the gas station and then wheel it out to the boat to fill up. Not as convenient but still plenty plausible.

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Several years ago my grandpa bought a brand new pontoon boat and ran standard E10 gas from the local gas stations. The second year he had it the engine developed severe issues and it would die and not run. The dealer replaced the engine because just E10 corroded and deteriorated the fuel system that they apparently decided it was cheaper to replace the whole motor vs replace the fuel system.
That's interesting. This is the first time I've ever heard someone say this about gas station gas and boats. My brother has been filling his Rinker with gas station gas for several years now without problems. And I was planning to do the same with my Pontoon.

I'll have to look into this more. I wonder if it has to do with location and engine quality.

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That's interesting. This is the first time I've ever heard someone say this about gas station gas and boats. My brother has been filling his Rinker with gas station gas for several years now without problems. And I was planning to do the same with my Pontoon.

I'll have to look into this more. I wonder if it has to do with location and engine quality.
Take it with a grain of salt and for whatever you think it's worth. But I've rebuilt fuel systems on countless small engines due to the E10 in pump gas eating away at the lines and components. Then seeing that happen to his brand new motor, I've chose to stay away from standard E10 gasoline. I actually buy ethanol free gas from the marina to run through all my weed eaters, lawn mowers, chainsaws, quads, etc. Really, the only thing I run E10 gas through is my vehicles.

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