Quick tune question - Forums at Modded Mustangs
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quick tune question

On my '96 GT im doing a PI head and intake swap with comp stage one XE262AH cams. I have a few other bolt ons and what not, do i NEED a tune? If i go WOT will i lean it out or ruin something? I will be getting it tuned but for the first month it might be un tuned.
1996 GT is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:08 PM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
yea you need it tuned...if there arnt any dyno shops near you call bama or tricktuners to write you a tune for it. You would be leaving so much power untouched if you didnt. and at $100 bucks for a tune why not?

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #3 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgib4 View Post
yea you need it tuned...if there arnt any dyno shops near you call bama or tricktuners to write you a tune for it. You would be leaving so much power untouched if you didnt. and at $100 bucks for a tune why not?
I dont have a tuner, so it will be around 500$ to get one to my door, but i will be getting it tuned. In the mean time though will it hurt the car if i rev it up to 5000? I want to have some fun with it in the mean time but i dont want to cause damage. I figured just running higher octane to prevent detonation might help.
1996 GT is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:14 PM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
idk the answer to that, if it was me i wouldnt trust it without the tune. if you scope the classifieds i got mine for 200 unlocked and il be ordering a tune from joe at tricktuners here in the next month after i put my cams in so it is only costing me 300 total.

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #5 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Fair enough, im just nervous about ordering a used tuner.
1996 GT is offline  
post #6 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:19 PM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
no need to be, just make sure its unlocked. If they send you a picture showing its unlocked it should also say how many unlocks are left. the average price is around 200 for a used tuner so look to pay around that.

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #7 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:21 PM
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 586
 
iTrader: 1 reviews
You'll be fine those cams won't take you out of your fuel capabilities, my friend ran his 00 in tuned with those cams for months with zero issues.... He made 270 tuned btw
4vGts is offline  
post #8 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:24 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgib4 View Post
no need to be, just make sure its unlocked. If they send you a picture showing its unlocked it should also say how many unlocks are left. the average price is around 200 for a used tuner so look to pay around that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vGts View Post
You'll be fine those cams won't take you out of your fuel capabilities, my friend ran his 00 in tuned with those cams for months with zero issues.... He made 270 tuned btw
Repped both of you, thanks for the fast and helpful responses.
1996 GT is offline  
post #9 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:46 PM
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 586
 
iTrader: 1 reviews
Are you doing springs?
4vGts is offline  
post #10 of 22 Old February 9th, 2013, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vGts View Post
Are you doing springs?
No, not with a mild cam like this. I have a set of PI springs with about 30k miles on them i'll be using. I have a set of PI windsor heads ill do a mild port job on with a PI intake as well. Rebuilding my t45 with carbon fiber syncros and a brass syncro for reverse. Bolt on wise i have suspension done, 3.73s, short throw shifter, spec stage one clutch, CAI, tires and some other misolanious things. I'm aiming for 280 to the wheels on a tune.
1996 GT is offline  
post #11 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 12:02 AM
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 586
 
iTrader: 1 reviews
Its possible to get 280 Idk with those cams tho my friend that ran those had every bolt on in the book and 373s dyno he only did 270 on a dynojet and 290 torque it was on a 00 gt to
4vGts is offline  
post #12 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 12:06 AM
Hardcore Enthusiast
 
xandraxal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: florida
Posts: 2,958
             
iTrader: 0 reviews
You need it tuned with or without mods, in my opinion. Ford left a little on the table in these cars, as well as all other mustangs
xandraxal is offline  
post #13 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 01:04 AM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
I feel like that is possible if u throw a set of long tubes on there.... Perfect time to do it to while you are at the heads.

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #14 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 10:06 AM
Hardcore Enthusiast
 
xandraxal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: florida
Posts: 2,958
             
iTrader: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vGts View Post
Its possible to get 280 Idk with those cams tho my friend that ran those had every bolt on in the book and 373s dyno he only did 270 on a dynojet and 290 torque it was on a 00 gt to
I agree. With simply PI heads, intake, and stage 1 cam, you wont get to 280whp. You may see 250-255, I'd bet. Remember, gears, suspension, etc have no effect on a dyno, only on track times. With LTs, you may get closer to 270
xandraxal is offline  
post #15 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 05:56 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vGts View Post
Its possible to get 280 Idk with those cams tho my friend that ran those had every bolt on in the book and 373s dyno he only did 270 on a dynojet and 290 torque it was on a 00 gt to
I'm wondering if the compression bump will help much at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgib4 View Post
I feel like that is possible if u throw a set of long tubes on there.... Perfect time to do it to while you are at the heads.
I would but thats another 1k i dont have, between long tubes and a catted mid pipe for emissions. It's on the list though, it will be done at some point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xandraxal View Post
I agree. With simply PI heads, intake, and stage 1 cam, you wont get to 280whp. You may see 250-255, I'd bet. Remember, gears, suspension, etc have no effect on a dyno, only on track times. With LTs, you may get closer to 270
Yeah i understand that, as long as im above 250 to the wheels ill be happy, but id like to see 280. We're speaking after being tuned that is.
1996 GT is offline  
post #16 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 07:37 PM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
yea long tubes are expensive..if i had to do it over again i wouldnt have gone with flowtech, the fitment is terrible so make sure you get a decent brand. I definitely felt a difference before and after (i did pi intake LT, and X pipe @the same time).

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #17 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 10:11 PM
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 586
 
iTrader: 1 reviews
[QUOTE=1996 GT;5108488]I'm wondering if the compression bump will help much at all.

it should everyone seems to think really high but in reality it wont be more then 5hp. It will give a stronger powerband tho.
4vGts is offline  
post #18 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 11:01 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
[quote=4vGts;5109066]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1996 GT View Post
I'm wondering if the compression bump will help much at all.

it should everyone seems to think really high but in reality it wont be more then 5hp. It will give a stronger powerband tho.
I think it will be about 10-15. Its 10.5cc vs 18.5cc. I guess we'll find out though, as long as it has more power then my NPI engine right now.
1996 GT is offline  
post #19 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 11:03 PM
SleeperStang
 
Jgib4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,924
                   
iTrader: 6 reviews
put thinner head gaskets on to

Laser Red Crew #6
276/296 on a pi swap and OPS1 cams



Mods in Garage
Jgib4 is offline  
post #20 of 22 Old February 10th, 2013, 11:06 PM Thread Starter
Still slow.
 
1996 GT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,738
                   
iTrader: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgib4 View Post
put thinner head gaskets on to
You know i thought about it, but then i played around with the compression calculator on summits site and for a few less MM id gain maybe 2-4hp so i decided against it.
1996 GT is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Forums at Modded Mustangs forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome