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Is a Frpp Intake Manifold worth the money with my current mods ....JLT Series 3 110mm Cai, 62 mm TB, O/R H ? Headers to follow months away .

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No, spend the money elsewhere.

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No, spend the money elsewhere.
OK thx......headers it is !

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The only real gain without cams is from the delete plates/plugs, which you already have. Even with my cams and everything else, I felt zero gain from it

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Yeah that's why I asked.....so I'll prolly put that money towards my Lt's and mid pipe ......thx friend

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Is a Frpp Intake Manifold worth the money with my current mods ....JLT Series 3 110mm Cai, 62 mm TB, O/R H ? Headers to follow months away .
Nope. The FRPP manifold will actually cost you torque in the 3300-5200rpm band where the stock manifold performs at its best, and only produce torque gains at the very top end from 5200rpm to the rev limiter.
Even LT headers would be a questionable upgrade since you've already gained 1/2 of the HP/TQ that they'd yield by installing an offroad midpipe. I suggest you swap in a set of Steeda UDPs instead.
I have exactly the same phase 1 mods as the Brenspeed high mile Mustang project vehicle (JLT 3 CAI, Steeda UDPs, CMDPs, FRPP X-pipe with stock cats, Brenspeed 91 octane tune).


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If you end up getting the manifold, get it from brenspeed. It's $500 something from them, 600+ from other places iirc.

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Nope. The FRPP manifold will actually cost you torque in the 3300-5200rpm band where the stock manifold performs at its best, and only produce torque gains at the very top end from 5200rpm to the rev limiter.
Even LT headers would be a questionable upgrade since you've already gained 1/2 of the HP/TQ that they'd yield by installing an offroad midpipe. I suggest you swap in a set of Steeda UDPs instead.
I have exactly the same phase 1 mods as the Brenspeed high mile Mustang project vehicle (JLT 3 CAI, Steeda UDPs, CMDPs, FRPP X-pipe with stock cats, Brenspeed 91 octane tune).
Do UDP's require turning ?.......if they are so bad off then why isn't there any used ones for sale ? I figured it would be a good buy since I plan on going F/I next summer ...

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If you end up getting the manifold, get it from brenspeed. It's $500 something from them, 600+ from other places iirc.
OK thx for the heads up ...

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Do UDP's require turning ?.......if they are so bad off then why isn't there any used ones for sale ? I figured it would be a good buy since I plan on going F/I next summer
Underdrive pulleys (UDPs) don't require a tune simply because their function is to reduce the parasitic HP losses from the belt-driven ancillaries. You won't find used ones for sale 'cause most people don't remove them once they're on the car unless they add a supercharger later on. If you're planning to add turbos, you can keep the UDPs.


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Underdrive pulleys (UDPs) don't require a tune simply because their function is to reduce the parasitic HP losses from the belt-driven ancillaries. You won't find used ones for sale 'cause most people don't remove them once they're on the car unless they add a supercharger later on. If you're planning to add turbos, you can keep the UDPs.
I was referring to used intake manifolds when I said I don't see any for sale if theres a torque lost ? Yeah UDP's will be next .

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There is one for sale over on S197. It does help breathing up top. For regular city driving it would definitely soften up the bottom.

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There is one for sale over on S197. It does help breathing up top. For regular city driving it would definitely soften up the bottom.
OK thx for the info...

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Next question...I've read from one source and seen firsthand on a local Mustang what the FRPP intake and Hot Rod cams can do. I've installed several Hot Rod cams in customer's cars, but never with the intake. Do they make a good combo, or is the intake just a show piece?

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Hotrods, FRPP intake and throttle body and JLT 3 intake versus bone stock on same dyno.


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Mod is with the hot rod cams, ffrp intake and the jlt cai and tune I do believe.

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I was referring to used intake manifolds when I said I don't see any for sale if theres a torque lost ?
The FRPP intake manifold is usually installed in conjunction with a 62mm TB and performance cams so you'd find that the engine screams when you get past 5000rpm but feels softer lower down. Many people swap in higher ratio axle gears (3.73 or 4.10) to compensate for the loss of lower rpm torque and get the engine into its powerband quicker.


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Mod is with the hot rod cams, ffrp intake and the jlt cai and tune I do believe.
Correct. I did swap to 4.10 gears also. It was a lot of fun playing on the top of the tach, she really pulled hard.

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So hp is lost from 2000-4000 rpm ? So with the taller runners, slightly bigger TB and bigger Cai allowing more air to come into the engine HP gets lost ? WTF

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So hp is lost from 2000-4000 rpm ? So with the taller runners, slightly bigger TB and bigger Cai allowing more air to come into the engine HP gets lost ? WTF
One word...velocity.

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