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post #1 of 26 Old September 11th, 2015, 08:13 PM Thread Starter
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Cams worth it ?

I have a 2006 gt with the following mods, cai, frpp manifold, longtubes, x pipe, steeda underdrive pulleys , 4 11 gears gt 500 tb, bama tuned. I am wondering if cams will be worth the money at this point. also this car is driven 3 to 4 days out of the week so if the power is not significant I probably wont do the install. I guess I need a suggestion on what cams to go with if there is much power to be gained. if anyone has experience with similar application of parts please share any info u may have.
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Cams should be one of the last mods you do. Use them to tune in your power curve after you motor is built to where you want it.


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Get cams, I recommend CMS stage 1's and then go to lito for a tune.

07 gt, CMS cams, hurst, CAI/tuned, LT's, o/r h, m80's, FRPP mani, UDP, lowered with steeda 1.25/1.5, exedy mach 400/race flywheel, 1-pc DS, BMR upper/lowers, 4.10's, CHE brace with TL's, and a few other things that dont add up to much.
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i love my cams noticeable power but 07 boss is 100% right should be the last thing you do. heres a short video of my car you can hear the cams at the end

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Given that most of the aftermarket cams only produce power gains above 5000rpm with torque losses lower down, I'm sticking with the stockers. Keep in mind that if you do cams, you're likely to end up doing a rear axle gear swap as well (if you haven't already) so factor that as an additional cost.


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Given that most of the aftermarket cams only produce power gains above 5000rpm with torque losses lower down, I'm sticking with the stockers. Keep in mind that if you do cams, you're likely to end up doing a rear axle gear swap as well (if you haven't already) so factor that as an additional cost.
Most of the cams start to produce more power a bit lower than 5k. They really only give up a tiny bit of power under around 2500. Also, he already stated he has 4.10/4.11's.

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yeah I have the gears , any suggestions on anything left to do before a cam swap? I am actually still on the factory mufflers , but it sounds pretty good with the x pipe and longtubes. not sure if that would yield any hp anyway. remember I am excluding forced induction as an option.
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Lumpy cams sound great and grab attention. I had a 69 nova with a high compression 327 cammed up pretty good. It sounded awesome with the headers, you could hear the headers ring during blowdown. It was great with the exception of the tendency to backfire through the Holly carb when not warmed up or the motor was lugged. Quite impressive backfires. However...

Well, I think there are so many other power options (I know u don't want FI) for our cars, I personally like the smooth idle, stalker power motor now. Did you see the twin turbo 900hp build they did on that TV show. Jeez. Maybe I'm getting old.


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hey really only give up a tiny bit of power under around 2500.
It's about 15-20lbft of torque loss below 3500rpm for the Detriot Rockers, CompCams 127200s/127300s, and Mutha Thumprs but the torque loss from the Hot Rod cams is barely noticeable.


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It's about 15-20lbft of torque loss below 3500rpm for the Detriot Rockers, CompCams 127200s/127300s, and Mutha Thumprs but the torque loss from the Hot Rod cams is barely noticeable.
Correct, and other "more power oriented" cams give up just barely anything as well. You give up very little and gain a bit . The CMS with lito's tune drives amazing and power comes on hard about 35-3750.

07 gt, CMS cams, hurst, CAI/tuned, LT's, o/r h, m80's, FRPP mani, UDP, lowered with steeda 1.25/1.5, exedy mach 400/race flywheel, 1-pc DS, BMR upper/lowers, 4.10's, CHE brace with TL's, and a few other things that dont add up to much.
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Lito is the fucking man!!!

It all depends on what your setup is. Cams are a piece of the puzzle mod meaning they should be built around your setup or your setup should be built around your cams.
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I am in the same boat thanks for the info

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I went with Hot Rods after I ran with the comp 127200's. I decided on the Hotrods after because the 200's were great but quiet but after 3 years I wanted to go a different direction. I still have the stock mufflers and they are to me the best sounding muffler I heard in person. I gained 2 mph and .2 in the 1/4 over stock cams. If you want the sound and some gain then I would say something like Detroit Rockers or Hot Rods.

I got lots of looks at the drag strip last night and one person caught up to my car on my way to the staging lanes after I drove by him and had to complement how good it sounded. He is running a with a KB supercharger and is now thinking about cams this coming off-season.

If you do decide to go with a cam get a place that will offer a great service so you can get all you can out of your mods not because they offer free tunes for life.

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I love my hotrod cams I had installed in 2010 . I only got 20 hp and about 15 foot pounds of torque, but the attitude of my Mustang change completely. The torque comes in in about 3000 RPM and doesn't lay down until 6700rpm. So what I am saying is the torque is coming in right where the horsepower is highest.
4.10s are perfect for that application .
Oh yeah, the sounds of the exhaust is a plus too.
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thanks for the info everyone , how do I get in touch with this litto guy for tuning, and can he right tunes to be used in my sct tuner.Also does anyone know what will have to be bought to do the cams , other than the cams themselves.
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I love my hotrod cams I had installed in 2010. I only got 20 hp and about 15 foot pounds of torque, but the attitude of my Mustang change completely. The torque comes in in about 3000 RPM and doesn't lay down until 6700rpm.
Do you have dyno sheets before and after installing the Hot Rod cams?
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If you do hot rods you need longtubes to see any good gains...

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Do you have dyno sheets before and after installing the Hot Rod cams?
With the Brenspeed custom tune and Ford Racing stuff, my torque doesn't go above 300tq until 4100 rpm and drops below 300tq at 5000 rpm..




With my HotRod cams and a BBR tune installed the torque goes above 300tq at 3400 rpm and doesn't drop below 300 tq until 5700 rpm.


My Mustang pulls hard with the 4.10's when I have more then 300rwtq . I have 2300rpm that is above 300rwtq to build horsepower...

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I can't find my baseline dyno but it was about 274 rwhp and 288 rwtq when the car was new. It drove like a cream puff, soft and easy to drive..

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For comparison, my set up with the stock cams and essentially stock exhaust produces 300+rwtq from 3500rpm to 5350rpm but I still have 286rwtq at 2500rpm.
If I'm correct, you had 290/306 with the Ford Racing stuff (CAI, 62mm TB, tune) so I guess you added the UDPs, CMDPs, Kooks LTs/H-pipe, and Hot Rod cams to get to 339/325.


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With the Brenspeed custom tune and Ford Racing stuff, my torque doesn't go above 300tq until 4100 rpm and drops below 300tq at 5000 rpm..




With my HotRod cams and a BBR tune installed the torque goes above 300tq at 3400 rpm and doesn't drop below 300 tq until 5700 rpm.


My Mustang pulls hard with the 4.10's when I have more then 300rwtq . I have 2300rpm that is above 300rwtq to build horsepower...

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I can't find my baseline dyno but it was about 274 rwhp and 288 rwtq when the car was new. It drove like a cream puff, soft and easy to drive..


So your bbr tune was better huh?
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