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post #1 of 12 Old October 15th, 2015, 09:54 AM Thread Starter
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Killer Intercooler Water Pump Flow Data

Good stuff. Link:

Intercooler Water Pump Flow Data - A Comprehensive Test - >>TECH<<
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Good empirical data. I saw this on the other forum and was impressed. I think it was brought up over there too, I wonder at what point you have too much flow. Meaning at some point the coolant will flow too fast for efficient transfer of heat in the inter-cooler and in the heat exchanger. I think that point is way up there and probably not really relevant. but I just wonder.


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DOB talks alot.

A.

Lot.

Doesn't deliver much, though.

The Lingenfelter pump has long been considered the best:
Intercooler pump flow testing results

It's not cheap:
Stewart EMP High Volume Intercooler Pump W/Lingenfelter Programming - Lingenfelter Performance

Timeslips and / or dyno sheets tell you more than any of that stuff can or will.
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hah you idiot.....
the DOB super pump he listed is the exact same as the Lingenfelter pump.....

the company that builds them is starting to hotrod them themselves and he's gonna be a vendor for the updated pumps.

So his data proves its the best out, only thing different is it will be cheaper then from Ling~ and DOB name
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I wonder at what point you have too much flow.
There will be an answer for this shortly.

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DOB talks alot.

A.

Lot.

Doesn't deliver much, though.
They delivered the best intercooler in the industry, by a large margin.

They delivered the first ever composite heat barrier.

They delivered the best bang for the buck blower kits for the 3v and Yote.

They delivered the best and only 10 rib belt drive systems for Kenne Bell blowers.

They delivered the trickest and most powerful blower kit for the 3v.

They deliver all sorts of pertinent tech info.....for free.

All from an incredibly small "boutique" manufacturer. Technologically they are kicking the crap out of the big players.

All of this has been done since 2012.

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Timeslips and / or dyno sheets tell you more than any of that stuff can or will.
Time slips are as much about the car setup as it's blower/engine performance.

Time slips are completely irrelevant when gauging how a car will perform on the street. Where most people drive their cars most of the time.

Time slips can easily be padded with other mods.

Dyno numbers are not tests, they are advertising.

There is no truth in advertising when it comes to dyno numbers. Anyone can set up a set of conditions that will show big numbers......that won't translate to the street or track. Dyno numbers are now an advertising tool, one that can be easily manipulated. Do you trust all advertising? Or any?

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They delivered the best intercooler in the industry, by a large margin.

They delivered the first ever composite heat barrier.

They delivered the best bang for the buck blower kits for the 3v and Yote.

They delivered the best and only 10 rib belt drive systems for Kenne Bell blowers.

They delivered the trickest and most powerful blower kit for the 3v.

They deliver all sorts of pertinent tech info.....for free.

All from an incredibly small "boutique" manufacturer. Technologically they are kicking the crap out of the big players.



Time slips are as much about the car setup as it's blower/engine performance.

Time slips are completely irrelevant when gauging how a car will perform on the street. Where most people drive their cars most of the time.

Time slips can easily be padded with other mods.

Dyno numbers are not tests, they are advertising.

There is no truth in advertising when it comes to dyno numbers. Anyone can set up a set of conditions that will show big numbers......that won't translate to the street or track. Dyno numbers are now an advertising tool, one that can be easily manipulated. Do you trust all advertising? Or any?

This +1000

D.O.B does ALOT of great stuff for the mustang community. FordEvangelist is talking out his ass
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agreed. Everything he has put out has been A+ stuff.

The things left to come may be taking a while because he is a small company compared to the big guys, but we can put his setups against theirs.

And then you add in all the testing he does and throws out on the net for us
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This +1000

D.O.B does ALOT of great stuff for the mustang community. FordEvangelist is talking out his ass
Only from experience my Yankee friend.

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agreed. Everything he has put out has been A+ stuff.

The things left to come may be taking a while because he is a small company compared to the big guys, but we can put his setups against theirs.

And then you add in all the testing he does and throws out on the net for us
Yes, days become weeks, they become months... and then they become years... sigh.

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DOB is good stuff.

I've installed one with Stri8ed on his old car. It howled a bit, but DOB figured that out and fixed it with a re-design - and modded their kits to prevent it. Even offered owners with "howlers" a retrofit. Pretty classy.

They do deliver. 1" intercooler inlet / outlets? Yes - they did that. That's what I call winning. Identify the weakness and kill it.

There is no such thing as flowing the coolant too quickly. No flow rate is too fast. Run the engineering formulas for heat exchanger efficiency if you doubt that. In layman's terms, the variables are: heat exchanger design efficiency, volume of air flow through heat exchanger, temp of air flow through heat exchanger, and fluid flow rate. All of the above items being constant (except flow rate)...one can clearly see that increasing rate will change (cool) the temp of the fluid more rapidly (exposing larger volume of fluid to temp differential in exchanger). Science aside, real world tests always prove that theory.

Never trust a pumps "open" flow rate - with back-pressure, most pumps are nowhere near their stated number.

My next pump upgrade will be to the DOB pump. Running a 20 GPM Meziere now.


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na man, this guy says DOB never actually does anything, he must be right.

Also we all know the lei~blah blah blah pump is the balls and the taint.
Ignore the fact the DOB super pump is the exact same directly from manufacturer.
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So, rumor is that DOB isn't selling this pump after all.

Interesting.

Check out the other "S197" forum for details.
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"We will be selling the Davies Craig EWP150 which is a good pump. The Stewart deal isn't good for us unfortunately. I wanted to sell them but the numbers I have to get from them to get dealer status are astronomical. I can't tie that much cash up on that."

Hey RoadRacer - DOB, Jason, SQIDD, and all the other aliases he uses used to road race Ducati's. Any relation?

Just the same old b.s.
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Yes, days become weeks, they become months... and then they become years... sigh.

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Looking for R-Spec guys to chime in any minute now. Would love to see pics and data from all of those installs.
Nothing cheap or easy about being neighbors with 1,000HP the right way. This will probably come together next winter. Sorry it doesn't meet your timeline.

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Wow! Look at that ****ing total! I feel woozy! I probably do not have enough labor in there and of course I am forgetting things. This build will take 2+ years to accomplish.

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