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February 21st, 2012 04:49 AM
MATT02GT I was pretty surprised to see this cruising thru Utah. It's the fastest posted limit I've seen. Although most of colorado's highway is 75mph so 80mph is the norm...

February 21st, 2012 04:38 AM
cntchds
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Originally Posted by Triple A View Post
Along with a speed limit increase, the test to get your license should be more difficult
Definitely. Raising the difficulty would make things a lot safer. I have seen far too many people on the road who are just asking to get in an accident. A stricter test to get your license should be implemented TODAY whether speed limits go up or not.

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Originally Posted by Triple A View Post
and the price should be higher.
Definitely not. If there is anything that Americans don't like, it's that rich people can get away with anything because they have money. Getting your license should be cheap enough for any American to receive it, but like I said above, the test should be hard enough that if you don't take it seriously, you will not walk away with a license.
February 21st, 2012 04:22 AM
cntchds Just a little anecdotal evidence here; In San Jose, where I live, a well traveled expressway just had its speed limit upped from 45 to 50 where people regularly were going 60-65. I have seen no real increase in speed for the majority of people on the road.

I honestly didn't read the entire three pages here, so sorry if I'm sounding a bit redundant. I recall reading an article (I think it was in Pop Sci) where a civil engineer said that he could control how fast traffic went by the width of the lanes. If that is true, then upping the speed limits to that point would be most effective.

As for personal opinion, I think that the best thing for traffic would be to have speed ranges or median speeds, not limits. My thought goes like this; I know people who are "scared" of the freeway, so they drive 50 mph in a 65 on a perfect day with no reason not to go the limit. If I have my cruise control on at 65 I could potentially hit them, and it would be my fault. Even though I'm going the limit, and they are going dangerously slow.

If it were enforced that as soon as someone enters the freeway they had to be going within 5mph of the limit, and that they had to continue within 5mph of the limit until they exit, I truly believe there would be far less traffic, less accidents, and less death on our roads. Accidents happen when every person on the road wants to go their own speed. If people were punished equally for going under the limit as they do for going over, we would have no more traffic. Needless to say there would be enormous infrastructure costs to allow this since onramps and offramps would need to be lengthened, and every Prius would need to be equipped with a jet engine to get up to speed in any sort of hurry.
February 21st, 2012 03:34 AM
Notcho The speed limit out in West Texas is 80 MPH.. I was out there about a year ago. There really isn't much out there.. no merging traffic to deal with, because there is nothing on the sides of the highways (no buildings or gas stations). Pour the coal to it and let it roll.








They recently raised the limit on I-10 to 75 MPH for everyone, including 18 wheelers, day and night.



I'm so used to driving 65 everywhere though... I kind of do it automatically. Every time I look at my speedo I'm going 65. Sucks, because I hate to be "that asshole" holding up traffic, cruising under the limit.


As far as my point of view on raising the limit... there are always going to be people who want to haul ass. But, cars nowadays are built to handle speed more reliably and safely than long ago.. better suspension/brakes, traction control, you name it. Granted, there are more cars on the road than there used to be.

Maybe raising the limit will encourage people who prefer to drive 10 under the limit to drive a little faster. I can understand driving slower if inclement weather is present; the idea is to be safe (drive slower) but in clear weather, even if they are driving slow to be safe, if someone is driving a lot slower than the limit (and MUCH slower than the "constant flow" which is typically 80+) they are only creating more of a hazard.

Personally, unless I am in Houston (and everyone is doing 85+) I don't like driving faster than 80. The amount of time you have to react while catching up to someone driving 55-60 is very small.
February 20th, 2012 11:05 AM
ReedsFX4
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Originally Posted by Alente View Post
Comparing our highway system to the autobahn just isnt right.
On the autobahn you can go however fast you want, the left lane is the passin lane, right lane is the slow lane.
In German cars cup holders arent available, it is illegal to eat and drive/use phone/or any form of distraction. It is illegal to honk/give rude gestures while driving also.

Every few bridges they have ticks set up on the road with a camera that measures how far you are from people. Plus when someone gets in an accident you are required to stop and help since in there drivers education class you learn first aid.
It costs around i believe 2000 euros? and you get your license at like 18.
Cars over there also don't have as extensive crash test ratings if I remember correctly, and they do have cup holders now. It is also illegal to use the phone completely in some states here (such as CT)

The main reason the autobhan is set up for no speed limits in some parts is because it was designed for it and doesn't see nearly the same volume of traffic as American roads do. I'm friends with a student from Germany who is 23 and he has never had his licence or even driven a car and he says it is not uncommon at all for people over there to never own a car.


And Germans arent really all around "better drivers" than us, they may have a lower death rate on the autobahn, but overall their fatality rate is about the same as the US if you include rural accidents.




I've gathered all the info I need for my paper, so thank you everyone for the help.
February 20th, 2012 08:06 AM
Alente Comparing our highway system to the autobahn just isnt right.
On the autobahn you can go however fast you want, the left lane is the passin lane, right lane is the slow lane.
In German cars cup holders arent available, it is illegal to eat and drive/use phone/or any form of distraction. It is illegal to honk/give rude gestures while driving also.

Every few bridges they have ticks set up on the road with a camera that measures how far you are from people. Plus when someone gets in an accident you are required to stop and help since in there drivers education class you learn first aid.
It costs around i believe 2000 euros? and you get your license at like 18.
February 20th, 2012 03:19 AM
gravik Speed limits have traditionally been the responsibility of the states. In the mid-1970s, however, Congress established a national maximum speed limit by withholding highway funds from states that maintained speed limits greater than 55 mph. The requirement was loosened for rural interstates in 1987 and completely repealed in 1995. As of today, 35 states have speed limits of 70 mph or higher on some portion of their roadway systems (rural highways/freeways)

Speed limit laws
Some good info at that link
February 20th, 2012 01:40 AM
ReedsFX4
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Originally Posted by 88TempoGLS View Post
Yea, my Contour can hit 80-100 by the end of most ramps too, but if you're stuck driving a 3cyl Metro, you have enough problem getting up to 55. Plus, someone said about ticketing for going too slow, as in 55-65 on the highway.

If you bump the speed limit up to 75, people are going to feel obligated to go that fast. Its kinda like going down the highway now with the speed limit at 65. Say you're going 65-70. Now, there is a car going 55 because they dont feel like going the speed limit. That usually causes a mini jam if there is a lot of traffic, and everyone needs to get around them.


Now, i'm not against raising the speed limit. I'm just trying to give you negitives.
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think 70-75 is unrealistic for any car on the road today, and there are a lot of states with 70+ on rural highways already. We could argue this forever, but luckily in my paper I only have to say why I think it should happen, I don't have to defend myself


Sent from my phone, sorry for typos
February 20th, 2012 01:24 AM
serbiandude yea weasel, bill went through few days ago
February 20th, 2012 01:12 AM
Contour'd Yea, my Contour can hit 80-100 by the end of most ramps too, but if you're stuck driving a 3cyl Metro, you have enough problem getting up to 55. Plus, someone said about ticketing for going too slow, as in 55-65 on the highway.

If you bump the speed limit up to 75, people are going to feel obligated to go that fast. Its kinda like going down the highway now with the speed limit at 65. Say you're going 65-70. Now, there is a car going 55 because they dont feel like going the speed limit. That usually causes a mini jam if there is a lot of traffic, and everyone needs to get around them.


Now, i'm not against raising the speed limit. I'm just trying to give you negitives.
February 20th, 2012 12:03 AM
ReedsFX4
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Originally Posted by 88TempoGLS View Post
Most cars are geared to get their best gas mileage between 55 and 65MPH. Raising the speed limit will decrease fuel mileage by a considerable margin. Also, some on ramp might not be long enough for some people to get up to speed before merging onto the highway, so you'd be looking at spending more tax dollars to increase the length of on ramps, rather than just money for new signs.

basically, raising the speed limit is going to cost everyone more money.
I'm not saying force people to drive faster than what they want to do for gas mileage, just make the speed limit what the majority of people in MA already drive so they aren't targeted for tickets on a 55/65mph highway where no one actually does those speeds. They don't have to lengthen on ramps for a small increase in speed, I can already get on the highways here doing 75-80.


Sent from my phone, sorry for typos
February 20th, 2012 12:01 AM
ReedsFX4
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Originally Posted by Triple A View Post
This should be included in your paper, Six. Along with a speed limit increase, the test to get your license should be more difficult and the price should be higher.
I'll consider it as part of the planned solution. I already have it written out near its maximum length so well see if I can incorporate it


Sent from my phone, sorry for typos
February 19th, 2012 11:15 PM
brokenweasel
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Originally Posted by serbiandude View Post
ohio just passed a bill to raise the limit to 70 on all freeways I guess
use other states as examples
REALLY?
February 19th, 2012 11:14 PM
Contour'd Most cars are geared to get their best gas mileage between 55 and 65MPH. Raising the speed limit will decrease fuel mileage by a considerable margin. Also, some on ramp might not be long enough for some people to get up to speed before merging onto the highway, so you'd be looking at spending more tax dollars to increase the length of on ramps, rather than just money for new signs.

basically, raising the speed limit is going to cost everyone more money.
February 19th, 2012 11:06 PM
Imaginary Enemy
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Originally Posted by TheGreatLouisianaRoadkill View Post
The problem is that driver education and road enforcement is shit in the USA. In Germany their driver's course and test is very difficult, then the cost of of a license is very high. This is to keep people who don't take driving serious off the streets. German's view driving as a privileged and not a necessity, as it should when you have something like the Autobahn.
This should be included in your paper, Six. Along with a speed limit increase, the test to get your license should be more difficult and the price should be higher.
February 19th, 2012 10:51 PM
ReedsFX4
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Originally Posted by Triple A View Post
I know you were using the autobahn as an example, but you've got to remember that a lot of American's are stupid and an increased speed limit may cause more accidents.
I know a lot of drivers are bad in the US, but there is also examples of where the speed limit is raised reasonably and accident rates don't increase. If I was a politician I'd be pushing for a lot stricter requirements and training courses for licences but I just am focusing on this right now
February 19th, 2012 10:46 PM
TheGreatLouisianaRoadkill
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Originally Posted by Triple A View Post
I know you were using the autobahn as an example, but you've got to remember that a lot of American's are stupid and an increased speed limit may cause more accidents.

The problem is that driver education and road enforcement is shit in the USA. In Germany their driver's course and test is very difficult, then the cost of of a license is very high. This is to keep people who don't take driving serious off the streets. German's view driving as a privileged and not a necessity, as it should when you have something like the Autobahn.
February 19th, 2012 10:46 PM
p4ndiamond I feel there should be a class on cruise control in drivers ed. While increasing the speed limit can be fine, one of the issues i find on my daily 6 hour commutes is major inconsistent speed. I do 70 mph at all times. i dont have much choice otherwise , and i observe that often and it annoys me allot. I feel that there should only be a minimum speed limit on the interstate and no maximum. People who speed dangerously will do it no matter what. Accidents that occur from reckless driving can still be considered a citation for their actions.
February 19th, 2012 10:42 PM
jbenevides89 I GOT AN IDEA. we can all go out tonight all over the country and take down all the speed limit signs. then see if it actually makes a difference, MMers UNITE!


jk-dont take that seriously. i dont wanna go to jail....im not big enough
February 19th, 2012 10:36 PM
Imaginary Enemy
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Originally Posted by Six Banger View Post
Like I said before, I'm not saying we need or can even handle an autobahn in America. I'm saying 75 mph (10 mph increase in speed for most of MA) is needed because most drivers can and do drive that fast. I'd feel perfectly safe if everyone was driving 70-75 on the highway and that was the speed limit. I'd still drive the same speed I always do (75+ or - a few) but would have to be worried about getting a ticket for going 10 over
I know you were using the autobahn as an example, but you've got to remember that a lot of American's are stupid and an increased speed limit may cause more accidents.
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