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April 25th, 2016 06:50 PM
tg1227 Exactly what I did thanks
April 25th, 2016 02:35 PM
condor123 Alright guys I found the problem, It was that i did not grind the timeing cover down to clear the pulley.

I have the link to to pdf Of the timeing cover, https://innovatorswest.com/instructi...structions.pdf

I took my time and didn't put a hole in the cover thankfully
April 24th, 2016 03:55 PM
tg1227
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The trigger wheel may be on backwards, so I will check that when I pull my timing cover to trim it for the pulley. Pate its a stock 2003 forged cobra crank. Also Sage I will post the picture they sent me after I get off of work.
+1 on the pictures I'm getting ready to grind my cover just unsure how far in the balancer will sit I layed the cover down and set the balancer on it. Pretty easy to see how far out is needed.

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I don't unfortunately. Here is another guy's cover though. He went too deep with the grinding, be careful like I said.

Even if this happens a little jb weld would probably seal this up
April 20th, 2016 01:18 PM
condor123 The trigger wheel may be on backwards, so I will check that when I pull my timing cover to trim it for the pulley. Pate its a stock 2003 forged cobra crank. Also Sage I will post the picture they sent me after I get off of work.
April 19th, 2016 11:38 AM
SSG Pate what crank are you using? are you running a stroker kit?
April 19th, 2016 11:37 AM
x7sage7x
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I may have ill check when i pull the timing cover to clearance , I have a 10% OD crank pulley for my supercharger and I think my problem is my balancer is getting caught on the crank sensor mounting point. I plan to rent a crank pulley puller and buy a good dremal tool and see if doing this fixes my problem. Sucks I will not have time to work on my car until the weekend.

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I also emailed Innovators West and they emailed me pictures of what the timing cover should look like after using a dermal, so props to them for being quick in responding to me.
Can you post those pictures?
April 19th, 2016 11:32 AM
MaxxRPM Is the trigger wheel on backwards?
April 19th, 2016 09:29 AM
tg1227 I'll be doing this soon also actually forgot I need to get this done still
April 18th, 2016 09:10 PM
condor123 I may have ill check when i pull the timing cover to clearance , I have a 10% OD crank pulley for my supercharger and I think my problem is my balancer is getting caught on the crank sensor mounting point. I plan to rent a crank pulley puller and buy a good dremal tool and see if doing this fixes my problem. Sucks I will not have time to work on my car until the weekend.

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I also emailed Innovators West and they emailed me pictures of what the timing cover should look like after using a dermal, so props to them for being quick in responding to me.
April 18th, 2016 05:23 PM
Fatstang You put the crank gear on backwards?
April 18th, 2016 02:41 PM
flyboy1294
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Thanks for the input, You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of your timing cover after you took a dermal to it do you?
I don't unfortunately. Here is another guy's cover though. He went too deep with the grinding, be careful like I said.

April 18th, 2016 02:34 PM
condor123 Thanks for the input, You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of your timing cover after you took a dermal to it do you?
April 18th, 2016 02:19 PM
flyboy1294
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well i think im a dumb fuck and may have found my problem. I just put the pulley on. Imthinking the pulley may be stuck. Can i just take a file to it, or what is the "best way" to do it.

Ill check to make sure i did not put the exciter wheel on backwards as well.

Also I did not do any of the engine work I paid a shop to do the assembly of the motor and he took pictures for me of the cam timing process. Ill have to find the invoice later but he said he had to advance timing 4* not 100% sure if that is okay.
You honestly need to have the timing cover off to grind it the right way. Use a Dremel and shave off very small bits at a time. You will go right through the cover if you aren't careful. You have to remove quite a bit of material. You also need to grind on the TDC and other timing marks on the cover to make the balancer fit.
April 18th, 2016 02:13 PM
condor123
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Yes, you have to clearance the crank position sensor boss on the front of the timing cover with an IW 10% OD balancer.
well i think im a dumb fuck and may have found my problem. I just put the pulley on. Imthinking the pulley may be stuck. Can i just take a file to it, or what is the "best way" to do it.

Ill check to make sure i did not put the exciter wheel on backwards as well.

Also I did not do any of the engine work I paid a shop to do the assembly of the motor and he took pictures for me of the cam timing process. Ill have to find the invoice later but he said he had to advance timing 4* not 100% sure if that is okay.
April 18th, 2016 01:58 PM
flyboy1294
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For you guys that ran a Innovators west Pulley did you guys have to do any clearanceing to the timing cover ? The pulley is not all the way on the timing cover. I think im going to take off my timing cover and oil pan and then see if somehow that was causing my problems.

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another question I have, when you are timeing up the cams do you have to spin the motor at all?
Yes, you have to clearance the crank position sensor boss on the front of the timing cover with an IW 10% OD balancer.
April 18th, 2016 01:57 PM
02torchstang
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Short block spun just fine didn't even need a cheater bar, I cant even turn it in the opposite direction, i was able to break the crank pulley bolt loose... I don't want to give the shops name out yet and drag them through the mud until I give him a chance to look at it again. For all i know i may have done something when added the timing cover and oil pan.

For you guys that ran a Innovators west Pulley did you guys have to do any clearanceing to the timing cover ? The pulley is not all the way on the timing cover. I think im going to take off my timing cover and oil pan and then see if somehow that was causing my problems.

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another question I have, when you are timeing up the cams do you have to spin the motor at all?
You could've installed the exciter ring on backwards? Might be binding with the timing chains. Best thing would be to take the timing chain cover off, or remove your followers and turning the motor again.
April 18th, 2016 01:44 PM
Infinite Monkeys
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Originally Posted by condor123 View Post
Short block spun just fine didn't even need a cheater bar, I cant even turn it in the opposite direction, i was able to break the crank pulley bolt loose... I don't want to give the shops name out yet and drag them through the mud until I give him a chance to look at it again. For all i know i may have done something when added the timing cover and oil pan.

For you guys that ran a Innovators west Pulley did you guys have to do any clearanceing to the timing cover ? The pulley is not all the way on the timing cover. I think im going to take off my timing cover and oil pan and then see if somehow that was causing my problems.

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another question I have, when you are timeing up the cams do you have to spin the motor at all?
So you got the short block and installed the heads and after the heads, it won't turn?


Did you line up the timing marks on the gears with the marks on the chains? If not and they are way off, you may already have bent valves.

It would be best to remove the timing cover and have a look.

Was the short block at TDC before you put on the heads?

Edit: I think there's some confusion here about "short block", "long block". To clarify, did you put on the heads?
April 18th, 2016 01:13 PM
condor123 Short block spun just fine didn't even need a cheater bar, I cant even turn it in the opposite direction, i was able to break the crank pulley bolt loose... I don't want to give the shops name out yet and drag them through the mud until I give him a chance to look at it again. For all i know i may have done something when added the timing cover and oil pan.

For you guys that ran a Innovators west Pulley did you guys have to do any clearanceing to the timing cover ? The pulley is not all the way on the timing cover. I think im going to take off my timing cover and oil pan and then see if somehow that was causing my problems.

---------- Post added at 12:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:12 PM ----------

another question I have, when you are timeing up the cams do you have to spin the motor at all?
April 18th, 2016 01:05 PM
1MeanNonPI2v I was able to hand crank my 2v engine with plugs in and it was 11:1 compression. If you could turn it over as a short block but not as a long block you have an issue.
April 18th, 2016 12:47 PM
x7sage7x Did the shortblock spin by hand?
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