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Ignore the problem until it grows way out of control and possibly comes knocking at our front door one of these days. I guess that's the answer for some ppl. Or take into consideration of putting somewhat of a damper on it right now without putting boots on ground at the moment. I'm personally going to try to continue to monitor the situation. If they are using these types of attacks against their own ppl there is no telling what they would do against other ppl. So it may be a best bet to at least take into consideration to take down someone like that.

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We need to stay out of it and let those people fight for their own freedom. It's a civil war and we have no business in it.

We have enough wars to deal with that we still can't seem to end.

Oh, and aside from that, fuck what the world thinks of us. No other nation is stepping up to end the fighting over there.

We're not guilty if anything is we stay out of it. If we get in it, will it turn in to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., or worse for us?

Add to that, there are too many Jihadists over there, and they don't and never have liked the west, Jews and Christians, so why support them in any way?
Exactly my thoughts. Nothing we do will make a difference in the long term. We need to stop wasting our time putting our noses in other peoples business. IF we do get involved then it should be no more a part than we played in Libya, bomb some shit and get out, have no ground units.

We havent really done much of anything for the "war crimes" that have been going on in Africa for years so why do we suddenly care about Syria?


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I say we do one of two options.

Option A: Brutality. Lay waste to the entire fucking country, harvest all of their oil, then pack up and leave. You don't want to play by the rules the UN has laid out? Fine. Bomb them into absolute oblivion, take all their resources, and leave them to die. Teach them a lesson real fucking quick who not to piss off. And not this piddly-ass bombing of "strategic targets," I'm talking about full on, B-52 carpet bombing of anything and everything. No mercy.

Option B: Ignore them and the rest of the world. Use it as a jumping off point to tell the world that no, we are not the world police, no, we do not give a fuck about their problems, and if any stupid ass extremist groups get the bright idea to attack us, we bomb the ever living fuck all out of them.

This concept that America has to play police to the rest of the world is old school thinking. Other countries used to be afraid of us, mostly because we had a metric shit ton of nukes pointed at them, and they had no real way to hit us. Now that they've figured out ways to hit us, the whole "America is king shit" philosophy has really crumbled. We need to either stop screwing with other countries or make a point that if we get it in our heads that we're going to hit you, then you are absolutely not going to get back up.
In an ideal world all of the powerful nations should work in unison to stop events such as these but this isnt an ideal world. Instead its the US over and over. Time to turn the cheek and let someone else do it. I feel that many other nations just assume "Oh the Americans will do it so we dont have to bother helping." Maybe if we step down then the rest might actually do something.
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Ignore the problem until it grows way out of control and possibly comes knocking at our front door one of these days. I guess that's the answer for some ppl. Or take into consideration of putting somewhat of a damper on it right now without putting boots on ground at the moment. I'm personally going to try to continue to monitor the situation. If they are using these types of attacks against their own ppl there is no telling what they would do against other ppl. So it may be a best bet to at least take into consideration to take down someone like that.
interesting how lately it's seemed like liberals have been more anxious to attack than republicans.

everybody keeps assuming assad used the chemical weapons in a civil war that he's winning right now. why would he? he says the rebels framed him. do you guys know something the UN investigators don't know, or could you be falling for the whole "iraq WMD" lie all over again?

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Ignore the problem until it grows way out of control and possibly comes knocking at our front door one of these days. I guess that's the answer for some ppl. Or take into consideration of putting somewhat of a damper on it right now without putting boots on ground at the moment. I'm personally going to try to continue to monitor the situation. If they are using these types of attacks against their own ppl there is no telling what they would do against other ppl. So it may be a best bet to at least take into consideration to take down someone like that.
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interesting how lately it's seemed like liberals have been more anxious to attack than republicans.
Notice I didn't say "hell yeah they should go all in and attack them"! So some ppl may have said that in various ways but that's not what I said!

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This isn't the situation, but what if a country unleashed a small scale nuclear device on their people. Would we stand by?

Countries shouldn't use certain weapons, such as chemical, against their own people. I'm not saying we should go to war, or we even have anything to gain, but there has to be some sort of line we don't let people cross without repercussion.
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Ignore the problem until it grows way out of control and possibly comes knocking at our front door one of these days. I guess that's the answer for some ppl. Or take into consideration of putting somewhat of a damper on it right now without putting boots on ground at the moment. I'm personally going to try to continue to monitor the situation. If they are using these types of attacks against their own ppl there is no telling what they would do against other ppl. So it may be a best bet to at least take into consideration to take down someone like that.
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interesting how lately it's seemed like liberals have been more anxious to attack than republicans.

everybody keeps assuming assad used the chemical weapons in a civil war that he's winning right now. why would he? he says the rebels framed him. do you guys know something the UN investigators don't know, or could you be falling for the whole "iraq WMD" lie all over again?
This is why I say brutality is the only acceptable course of action should we decide to intervene with the military. The way politics are right now, theres all kinds of room for he-said she-said bullshit and confusion. If you kill everything, it doesn't matter who used chemical weapons on who, they're all going to die. Will innocent people die? Women and children? Absolutely. But if you want to guarantee that everyone toes the line, seems to me you have to actually dish out an ass whooping from time to time.

Pussyfooting around a war is just fucking stupid. No other way to look at it. You're either in it to win it, or you aren't. IT'S WAR. This half-assery we're running right now in the middle east is doing not a damn person any good. The extremists aren't afraid of us, the natives hate us, and our guys get shot at and aren't allowed to shoot back. I say, if we feel its necessary to go into another country to fix a problem, we should damn sure be going door to door rounding people up and killing anything that looks remotely suspicious or fails to comply. Or at the very least, raining all manner of hellfire down upon them.

As far as wondering what comes next, if you teach (by example!) countries or extremist groups that this kind of behavior will absolutely NOT be tolerated with anything other than swift, lethal, overpowering force, then wondering what comes next is no longer a problem, because those extremist groups that don't have a problem using WMD's would be a hell of a lot more hesitant to try stupid shit if they knew that it could very easily mean their eminent annihilation.



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Stay the hell out of it. We have to many problems here, and as I've said in other places. The U.N. wants to be so bad ass acting, let the U.N. as a whole take care of it.
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Ignore the problem until it grows way out of control and possibly comes knocking at our front door one of these days. I guess that's the answer for some ppl. Or take into consideration of putting somewhat of a damper on it right now without putting boots on ground at the moment. I'm personally going to try to continue to monitor the situation. If they are using these types of attacks against their own ppl there is no telling what they would do against other ppl. So it may be a best bet to at least take into consideration to take down someone like that.
I would argue that a dictator deploying chemical weapons on the citizens of your own 3rd world country leading to said dictator deploying chemical weapons on a country with a large Military, such as ourselves, is quite a hell of a jump, and rather unlikely. Not to mention, we have still yet to be given any evidence as to whether the chemicals were deployed by al-Assad, or someone else.

But lets assume we do decide it is pertinent to attack Syria and remove al-Assad from power. Who takes his place? Another dictator who happens to be buddies with us? And how long before the new guy in charge turns into the same asshole that al-Assad already is?

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Theres definetly nothing geneva Convetion about this war. I saw another video of the rebels beheading 2 christian men with a large knife in a field. Along with canibalism and the serin gas, both sides have commited crimes against humanity. Im siding with Putin on this one. Plus dummy already told syria where we would bomb so there are reports they are moving prisoners to those spots and pulling out all of their military iron.
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Chemical weapons or not, it is a civil war, and one that isn't grossly dominated by one side or the other. I see no reason beyond the bleeding heart syndrome of "But they're using chemical weapons!" Okay, yes, chemical weapons were used, but by whom? We don't even know the entirety of the situation yet. More over, we've got Iran dishing out threats of military intervention if we do anything regarding a military strike in Syria. Don't get me wrong, I don't fear any of the aforementioned nations, especially with Israel and Saudi Arabia backing us, two extremely good allies to have in a war there. But I don't think we can even AFFORD another war, or rather, two more wars after us having been at war in Afghanistan for more than a decade now. By two wars, I mean Syria and Iran, because if Iran fought/attacked Israel, we'd undoubtedly be split on two fronts, fighting a bloody conventional war in Iran and then wasting money on a bloody, insurgency based war in Syria.

Yes, I understand the point of people saying "Well what if they become a threat to us? We should attack them before that happens" and don't get me wrong, I wholly support pre-emptive attacks. HOWEVER, we have no stake in Syria, so why bother with it? Sit back and wait, see how it pans out and let the UN handle it.

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In the world of politics, Putin is about as Alpha as it gets.

And in response to your Chuck Norris, I offer:

Bruce Lee was the man.

As far as Putin being Alpha male in politics, it is not tough to be Alpha when if somebody challenges you or your policies they end up in the hospital poisoned to death.
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Bruce Lee was the man.

As far as Putin being Alpha male in politics, it is not tough to be Alpha when if somebody challenges you or your policies they end up in the hospital poisoned to death.

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Hahaha pretty much sums it up.



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Fuck that, General Mattis for President! lmao
I'm good with that Since when does the president have to be some family rich fucking road scholar. We elect guys with no balls. We elect guys that talk tough yet they have probably never gone hands on with somebody. We need better presidential candidates brought forward. It is time to be a little less, "politically correct" in our choices.

During the last election, I looked at Romney and Obama. Both rich, both pussies. I had to vote for one. How about we bring forward a "real" candidate. Somebody who has and can talk the talk and walk the walk. I central figure, a real leader, not just an empty suit with money who can be swayed.

As we speak right now there are thousands of potential leaders in the military, police departments, schools, coaching sports teams, actors....., that could lead this country to where it needs to be. People smarter, tougher, with more integrity than Obama, and Romney, and other candidates. You look at the succesful well liked presidents....they didn't buy their way into the position, they earned it.
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Hahaha pretty much sums it up.



When it comes to the security of the United States, there should be one party, the American Party. We should all be on the same page. In order to do that we really need a President that is respected by all Americans whether they like him or not. Put a guy like R. Lee Ermy in office, or another prominent intelligent tough guy type, other countries are going to think twice. In my opinion the president should be like the "Front Man" of a band. My vote would be Henry Rollins, the guy is the real deal, no doubt a guy like him could clean this country up, and keep other countries in check.

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I wanted Colin Powell to run in 2008. He was well respected. And we got Obama vs McCain... WTF.

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I'm good with that Since when does the president have to be some family rich fucking road scholar. We elect guys with no balls. We elect guys that talk tough yet they have probably never gone hands on with somebody. We need better presidential candidates brought forward. It is time to be a little less, "politcally correct" in our choices.

During the last election, I looked at Romney and Obama. Both rich, both pussies. I had to vote for one. How about we bring forward a "real" candidate. Somebody who has and can talk the talk and walk the walk. I central figure, a real leader, not just an empty suit with money who can be swayed.

As we speak right now there are thousands of potential leaders in the military, police departments, schools, coaching sports teams actors....., that could lead this country to where it needs to be. People smarter, tougher, with more integrity than Obama, and Romney, and other candidates. You look at the succesful well liked presidents....they didn't buy there way into the position, they earned it.
Agreed, that more or less falls in line with my personal opinion that I believe that it should be a pre-requisite to have either served as an LEO or in the military for x amount of years to be eligable for Presidential candidacy.

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